Tractor sale gone sour.

   / Tractor sale gone sour. #21  
You're exactly right Bill with what I was told. According to the bank there is no reversal of a bank wire. When I had talked to them they had said that the only way to reverse a wire transfer was with a court order. The money once transferred was yours. It isn't like a credit card or the ACH's.
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #22  
I may well have misspoken when I used the term "wire transfer" earlier. When I was told about this the phrase used was "wire the money" and I called it a wire transfer when, in fact, it may well have been an ACH transaction. I apologize for any misunderstandings to which I may have contributed here.
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #23  
Jerry,

I couldn't agree more with you on deposits. Most buyers now seem to believe that they're entitled to have them returned if they simply change their mind for whatever reason. I don't.

When I write a deposit receipt I specifically state on the receipt that the money is for holding (yr., make, model & VIN) from that date through a specific future date. When someone changes their mind and wants their deposit back I simply point out that I did what I agreed to do; I held the vehicle for the agreed upon period of time.

I tell them to hold onto their receipt and I'll apply that amount to any purchase they make from me at any time in the coming year. I'm not required to do this, of course, but I do. This only applies to changes of heart, not to an inability to obtain financing. Those deals have deposits refunded in full.

I've even had people ask me if they can get their deposit back if they change their mind. I'm still amazed by that one. It's kind of like me asking if it's alright if I change my mind and sell it out from under them even though I took a deposit on it. I guess it's that old "personal responsibility" thing again. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #24  
Good comments Gary. Sounds like you have a good system in place. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #25  
I'll give back a deposit for any valid hard luck story. In the case of financing, I set a definite time limit for them to obtain the financing, usually 30 days (although the home selling market in my area is so hot it can currently take up to 60 days to get an approval and I honor that); otherwise the deal is off and they get their deposit back. In other words, I return deposits if the buyer is not in control of the circumstances.

But, if the buyer was negligent, or has remorse, or found a better deal, the deposit is mine. When I accept a deposit, I give a litle speech, explaining the purpose of a deposit and why I would keep it. Even the stupidest person can understand that lost time and lost sales opportunities have value if you explain it to them.

Most, however, are shocked. They're used to the car dealer who will accept a $100 deposit on a $30K vehicle and then return it if they change their mind. Once I explain that it's a psychological trick so that people will feel like they have already bought the car, and that private sellers have different motives, they usually understand. If they don't, I simply don't sell to them.

I'm much the same way on price negotiations. After I name my lowest price, I can't be swayed by pleas of, "I don't have that much." I explain that there is no reason why I should lose any money to help them.

I will give anyone who asks a "right of refusal" so if they haven't yet been able to make a deal with me, I'll call them first to see if they can match any subequent offers I get. That doesn't cost me anything.
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #26  
Don,

I confess that I haven't priced BBQ grills lately, but do you really go through all that deposit/right of refusal/financing speech process on all your grills? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #27  
(Laughing) No, but I also have recently sold 3 houses, and some other relatively big ticket items. The most recent was an old Toyota Starlet I had kicking around - they've gotten pretty valuable for drag racers who want to install rotary engines, and I had 3 people all wanting me to hold it for them.

But, yes, I often had to give the "speech" with regards to the business; I don't sell any grills less than $500, and most of them are $1,500 to $2,500. I also construct custom outdoor kitchens with built-in grills, sinks, under-counter fridges, and such, with an average price around $8-10K; the most expensive one I've done so far was in excess of $20K, and I have a $40K design in my head that is just waiting for the right person.

Attached is a picture of a typical job...
 

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   / Tractor sale gone sour. #28  
Very nice!
 
   / Tractor sale gone sour. #29  
Don,

Anyone getting a nice outdoor kitchen like that probably needs a speech about mechanic's and materialman's liens! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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