tractor with no thermostat?!

   / tractor with no thermostat?! #91  
Y'know, if engineers were forced to wrench on their own design prototypes before they went into production, the mechanic's job would be a thousand times easier. ;)

Now that I think about it, I reckon us mechanics have ya'll engineers to thank for our job security. So... thanks a lot. :rolleyes:

:p :dance1: :laughing:

if the bean counters had to do the wrenching, after making us engineers change a good robust design to somehting horribly complicated so that they could save a half cent per 5 million units.. then we'd ALL be better off..... "value engineering" my azzzzzzzzz
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #92  
Sorry it wasnt clear that I interjected the rolleyes comment.
I got it, it was taken in a humorous light and responded to the same way. No worries, no hard feelings, it's all in fun! :thumbsup: ;)

Y'know, expressing your intended emotions on the internet is a real struggle sometimes. Just when you think your 'joke' couldn't be more clear, it's taken wrong and you've suddenly offended someone unintentionally. Emoticons seem to be woefully inadequate in so many cases.

There's one smiley I've seen before that was pretty good at telegraphing a humorous 'jab'... it was called a "stick-poke" or "poke with stick". I don't see it here, perhaps someone has a source? :confused:
 
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   / tractor with no thermostat?! #93  
if the bean counters had to do the wrenching, after making us engineers change a good robust design to somehting horribly complicated so that they could save a half cent per 5 million units.. then we'd ALL be better off..... "value engineering" my azzzzzzzzz

I think you hit the nail on it's pointy li'l head SG. :thumbsup: :laughing:
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?!
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#94  
It costs nothing to check the timing and look under the distributor cap to see if the centrifugal advance is free and operating properly. ;)

Virginia Joe - anything to report? :confused:

Nothing yet. I punched a hole in my brand new front tire apparently from a stick in the bushog field (again) so I have another task to fix. I live so far out in the boonies, everything is a hassle or a journey to get to someone to check or fix this or that. Parents sent me to college to get edumacated, instead of trade skills. Sux to be me at times like this, not knowing mechanics! I'm hoping to find somebody with a timing light, which will be needed to check this timing, right? I heard they are obsolete for today's cars. In fact, the guy I bought this from last year, I remember told me he moderized something about the ignition----? I don't suppose that would have anything to do with this overheating would it? It starts and runs excellent. I see there is still a rotor cap on there. Some wires go to a white ceramic-block-looking set of screw connections hanging out there exposed. Hope to get someone to look at that timing soon.

Are todays tractor tires (front) made of puny rubber? Last flat I had fixed last month the mech said it was a stick punch hole, but it was so small I could not see the damage from the outside. I guess the guy bought the cheapest new tires he could get to sell the unit? Is there a cheap tire name to avoid? I'm thinking of putting old slick car tires on the front til I can get this overgown wilderness cut back under control.
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #95  
Nothing yet. I punched a hole in my brand new front tire apparently from a stick in the bushog field (again) so I have another task to fix. I live so far out in the boonies, everything is a hassle or a journey to get to someone to check or fix this or that. Parents sent me to college to get edumacated, instead of trade skills. Sux to be me at times like this, not knowing mechanics! I'm hoping to find somebody with a timing light, which will be needed to check this timing, right? I heard they are obsolete for today's cars. In fact, the guy I bought this from last year, I remember told me he moderized something about the ignition----? I don't suppose that would have anything to do with this overheating would it? It starts and runs excellent. I see there is still a rotor cap on there. Some wires go to a white ceramic-block-looking set of screw connections hanging out there exposed. Hope to get someone to look at that timing soon.

Are todays tractor tires (front) made of puny rubber? Last flat I had fixed last month the mech said it was a stick punch hole, but it was so small I could not see the damage from the outside. I guess the guy bought the cheapest new tires he could get to sell the unit? Is there a cheap tire name to avoid? I'm thinking of putting old slick car tires on the front til I can get this overgown wilderness cut back under control.

This would be good to have if you are working were there are a lot of thorns.

Tire Sealant | Berryman Products

The more plys your tires have the more resistant they will be to punctures.
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #96  
if the bean counters had to do the wrenching, after making us engineers change a good robust design to somehting horribly complicated so that they could save a half cent per 5 million units.. then we'd ALL be better off..... "value engineering" my azzzzzzzzz

Amen. The bean counters ruined the Olds 5.7 diesel and the early TH700's with the stamped drum.
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #97  
Nothing yet. I punched a hole in my brand new front tire apparently from a stick in the bushog field (again) so I have another task to fix. I live so far out in the boonies, everything is a hassle or a journey to get to someone to check or fix this or that. Parents sent me to college to get edumacated, instead of trade skills. Sux to be me at times like this, not knowing mechanics! I'm hoping to find somebody with a timing light, which will be needed to check this timing, right? I heard they are obsolete for today's cars. In fact, the guy I bought this from last year, I remember told me he moderized something about the ignition----? I don't suppose that would have anything to do with this overheating would it? It starts and runs excellent. I see there is still a rotor cap on there. Some wires go to a white ceramic-block-looking set of screw connections hanging out there exposed. Hope to get someone to look at that timing soon.

Are todays tractor tires (front) made of puny rubber? Last flat I had fixed last month the mech said it was a stick punch hole, but it was so small I could not see the damage from the outside. I guess the guy bought the cheapest new tires he could get to sell the unit? Is there a cheap tire name to avoid? I'm thinking of putting old slick car tires on the front til I can get this overgown wilderness cut back under control.

I understand completely, we live 10 miles outside the limits of a small town with a population of 850. And it's the county seat! :eek: No cell phone reception, satellite TV & internet are the only options, and the nearest town big enough to have a hospital, large stores, machine shops, radiator repair shops etc. is 45 miles away. One learns self-sufficiency out of necessity. As far as tools, you're better off buying than borrowing because you'll need a well stocked shop out there in the boonies. You will develop the mechanical skills, don't worry. :thumbsup:

The plus side? Peace & Quiet. The nearest neighbor is a mile away, and all we can hear are the birds singing and the wind through the trees. :)

Yes, you will need a timing light. Garage sales are great places to find tools, and you should be able to find an old but good one for $5 or less. I believe the timing marks are on the flywheel, but I'll need to check my shop manual. We have plenty of knowledgeable folks here who will know.

"Modernized" ignition? By what you describe, it sounds like the PO may have replaced the points with a pickup coil, or swapped the entire distributor, which would mean he changed the points/condenser ignition to an electronic one. If so, there should be a control module mounted somewhere, it would look like a box with a connector and wires leading to the distibutor. It could very well have something to do with the overheating, especially if the pickup coil was mounted on the original mechanical timing advance in the distributor. Many electronic ignitions have a built-in electronic timing advance, so if the mechanical advance is still functioning it could be advancing it too far. That could very well cause overheating.

I haven't looked around for one, but it wouldn't surprise me if electronic ignition kits are available for these older tractors. If so, then the whole distributor could've been part of the kit and thus replaced the original points distributor, which would eliminate the mechanical advance problem. At any rate, you still have to get the timing light and check the timing. Then you'll be able to see if it's advancing correctly by goosing the throttle and looking to see if the timing mark is jumping ahead, and tell how far it jumps.

By "modernized" he may also have been referring to changing the electrical system from 6 volt to 12 volt. You can tell by the battery, is it a 6v or 12v? Also by if the generator was replaced with an alternator. It's very common because 6 volt batteries are very expensive these days.

EDIT: Upon further thought, that "ceramic block" thingy you describe could also be a ballast resistor. Some older auto ignition systems such as Mopar used to have them, and it's possible your tractor came with one from the factory. Though I'm a retired Ford auto mechanic and have a good background of mechanics in general, I'm not that familiar with old Ford tractors specifically. There are folks on this forum who know them far better than I do.

If you could post pictures, particularly of the inside of the distributor, it would really help. :thumbsup:
 
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   / tractor with no thermostat?! #98  
is your tire tubed? if so break it down and replac eor patch the tube, then remount.

as to the ignition.. find out exactly what the prev owner did to modernized the ignition.

if it means he put in an electronic ignition, it locks you in as to charge system voltage and ground polarity.
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #99  
is your tire tubed? if so break it down and replac eor patch the tube, then remount.

as to the ignition.. find out exactly what the prev owner did to modernized the ignition.

if it means he put in an electronic ignition, it locks you in as to charge system voltage and ground polarity.

If he has a thorn in the tire it will mess up the new tube too.
 
   / tractor with no thermostat?! #100  
If he has a thorn in the tire it will mess up the new tube too.

uh.. sorry, figutred i was talking to a audience that would be capable to follow progression i could omit a few quite obvious steps..

like stop tractor. block tires, loosen lugnuts, jack wheel up, take wheel and tire off.

break down tire bead

yada yada yada

of course you take the %$#@ thorn out.

sheesh.... ;)
 

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