trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it?

   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it?
  • Thread Starter
#11  
The main reason I want to switch is because i think the New holland is a nicer tractor. So that's why it seems like an ok deal. Not that the New holland is any higher a quality of tractor, but it's definitely got more features and than the kubota. I am sure there are varying opinions on this.

duane
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #12  
Perhaps I am misinterpreting the situation.

As posted it sounds lilke:
1. the tractor was running
2. it started to knock
3. it was shut off
4. it has not been run since.

Maybe the motor is shot, but first, if it were me, I'd put in some heavy oil and start the motor and see if how bad it knocks and if it goes away or not with the new oil/ It's seems unlikely a few minutes running time, filled with new oil, is going to make the situtation much worse.

Just a thought - you might get lucky.
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #13  
CinderSchnauzer said:
Perhaps I am misinterpreting the situation.

As posted it sounds lilke:
1. the tractor was running
2. it started to knock
3. it was shut off
4. it has not been run since.

Maybe the motor is shot, but first, if it were me, I'd put in some heavy oil and start the motor and see if how bad it knocks and if it goes away or not with the new oil/ It's seems unlikely a few minutes running time, filled with new oil, is going to make the situtation much worse.

Just a thought - you might get lucky.

That would depend on what's causing the heavy knock. I'd guess that a rod bearing. But it could also be a broken rod...
Before you try to start the engine, see if you can rotate the engine (you may have to pull the injectors or glow plugs to reduce the compression) using a socket on a breaker bar. If the engine doesn't bind as you rotate, that would probably eliminate a broken rod. Listen for any noises as you rotate the engine too.

Since Duaner does have wrenching experience, this may be doable. If there's enough room under the tractor, he may be able to replace the bearings (rod and mains) with the engine installed.

Duaner, I would definitely get an experienced Diesel mechanic to listen to the engine. As long as it rotates by hand (as described above), a short running of the engine might be OK. However, talk to the diesel mech first (before you run the engine).

Duane, you wrote this tractor has been setting for at least two years... Why?
Anyway, you'll want to drain out the fuel. Two year old diesel may be contaminated.
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it?
  • Thread Starter
#14  
the tractor has been sitting so long because dad has so much other equipment that he really didn't even need this tractor. He owns a small construction company with a decent amount of excavators, bulldozers, semi-trucks etc. This tractor was mostly for his personal use and some light commercial... ie boxscraping etc, and he just didn't have the time to fix it. Now he is retiring and getting rid of a bunch of stuff... i thought this might be a good oportunity for me to upgrade to a style of tractor I couldn't previously afford.

The engine is not seized up, and I don't think there is a broken rod. I think there is a soleniod that shuts off the fuel. You can make sure that soleniod is off and turn the motor over with the key and it does so freely. Once you start the motor though, it knocks.

I don't know. Now that I know the woods FEL is not compatible with a belly mower, I might not be as interested. I would imagine the New holland loaders are more expensive, and even though this loader is basically new, it's not going to have a new loader value even if I could find someone to trade me. This might be out of my reach financially... but I will do some checking monday.

Keep the input coming fellas... it's giving me good stuff to think about.
by the way, i am in NW PA.

thanks
duane
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #15  
BTDT said:
My father has a 2000 New Holland TC33 with supersteer and a Woods FEL. The tractor only has about 200 (yes i said 200) hours on it, but the engine needs rebuilt.

This is what he said in the 1st post above.
I know.

It went over, way over .. LOL..... ;)

Picture 1 ==> Which isn't broken? His Kubota B2710. Which needs fixing? The other tractor TC33. What to do? Keep the one that isn't broken and doesn't need fixing.... B2710


Pretty simple decision from my point of view, but it's each to their own....


:tiphat:
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #16  
Duaner said:
The engine is not seized up, and I don't think there is a broken rod. I think there is a soleniod that shuts off the fuel. You can make sure that soleniod is off and turn the motor over with the key and it does so freely. Once you start the motor though, it knocks.
What do you mean by that last sentence
In post #3 you said the tractor hadnt been run since your dad shut it off.Do you mean here just turning it over with no fuel going to it it knocks.I was just wondering if by turning the tractor over without any fuel going through the injecters could make a funny noiise.
ALAN
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it?
  • Thread Starter
#17  
I don't know for sure, but i don't think you can hear the knock when just turning the engine over. OR at least it's not as pronounced. So says my father anyways.

He said that once he heard it knocking, he shut it down and added oil. He then started it back up and let the engine run for a little while... then, in his words "it really started knocking something terrible." Anyways, it knocks while running. I haven't actually heard the knock myself. The only reason I explained about turning the engine over with no fuel (which my father also did) was to explain how he knows that the motor is not seized up... it turns over. **** it even runs, it just sounds terrible.

This doesn't look good for me anyways... I just don't think that I am going to be able to stay within my budget on this deal. The Woods FEL not accomodating the belly mower is a real kick in the pants. I mean, I will still check into it, but it's not looking good.

I might try to convince my dad to just fix the dang thing and use it. He's afraid to have it rebuilt cause he's been burnt before doing that. but he can't afford a new engine for it right now. If I offer to just do it for him and take care of everything, he would probably go for it. He's 78 and can't do this stuff on his own anymore.

I was looking it over again today. It's definitly not built like my kubota, which has a frame... to my suprise it's just like an old farm tractor, where the engine block is the frame. It looks like a bit of work to get the thing split, but nothing I can't handle. My dad has split many a farm tractor in his day, so I am sure he can guide me.

Anyways, that's where we stand right now. And it's not too terrible a place... I still have a good kubota to keep me busy, and dad will probably get some free labor out of me to fix his tractor. Wish me luck.
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #18  
If you can fix it for him, and he's 78, you might gain more going that route. I'd bet he'd appreciate it and you'd feel great knowing you were able to help.
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #19  
Well I figured I would put my 2 cents in, I am a diesel Mechanic by trade. By not seeing, hearing, and only going by what you have wrote, he spun a rod bearing. Probably wiped the crank out on that on journal. Engine will probably have to come out. I am not sure about your tractor but usually you cant get the pan down because there isn't enough room to remove it between the axle and engine block. If its a spun bearing then of course the crank will have to be turned and you will need 1 new rod. Usually machine shops now adays will not turn just 1 journal, they will turn all rod journals, at least the respected ones around here. There have been to many times in the past where 1 journal had been turned, the mechanic didn't pay attention, and puts standard bearings back on a journal that had been turned. If the tractor has low hours on it like you say, I wouldn't be to scared of other problems. I have done 1 engine with 150 hors on it or so and the same thing happened. I had the crank turned, resealed the engine (head, front and rear mains, and misc gaskets) still running to this day. Hopefully the damage was minor and nothing else was hurt, but you are not going to know until you dig into it. I would talk to you Dad and see what he wants, then check to see if the mower you want will work with the loader was on it. If ever thing else seems like it might work, start calling around to see what parts are going to cost you. But just remember, if you were a customer of mine and you brought that tractor to my shop, I would tell you its probably a rod bearing, but I cant tell you for sure until I start tearing into it. Another thing, if he put oil in it after it ran out, is that the same oil that has been in it all this time?? If it is, drain it in a clean pan and check for metal, usually it will be flakey and glitter. Like I said, just my 2 cents.


Dennis
 
   / trade b2710 for broken tc33... worth it? #20  
Good post, McDenny!
 

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