Trade in time?

[vrman]

Hey guys! Need some clarity here.
The Kubota Dealership near me had a sales event a week ago. I have been eyeing up the B3200. I have to admit I am always amazed at what my little BX23 does, but I have been needing something with a little more power for ripping bushes out and general loader use. I figured if I trade both my units in, I could afford the larger tractor.
Currently (see sig) I have a BX23 with the mid mount mower, backhoe, and loader. I've added all kinds of stuff like the skid plates, trencher/ripper and mechanical thumb from Bro-tek, and some teeth for the loader. I also have a Z326p zero turn mower. Both units have less than 250hrs. Dealer is offering me 10k on the BX23 setup and 7k on the Z326p. Does this sound about the right price range for those?

The B3200 with loader, backhoe and mower is going to run me about 28.5k.

Any input would be greatly appreciated!!

 

[check 6]

Other than wanting a new and larger tractor and the dealer interested in selling you one, why are you trading. I ask that question because several weeks ago I was thinking almost the same thing, ie trading my BX 25 on a B series tractor. I also have a Kubota zero turn diesel mower. Emotionally I wanted the new tractor, but when I sat down and listed the things I use the tractor for, I could no justify the upgrade. First the size of the BX is great for moving around the yard and thru fences. Second, I actually use the back hoe some, not often but when i need it I have it. Third I mow with the zero turn as it is much more agile. Several years ago i mowed with a BX series tractor and found the zero turn much better, a dedicated mowing machine. Bottom line is I'm keeping the BX 25, BUT I do eye the "B" every time I go by the dealer. Besides, I still have money in my pocket and not his. I guess the bottom line is if there are things you need to do and can't with the BX, up grade or just be like most of us and upgrade as we all like bigger toys.

 

[scoutcub]

It's good you asked here before jumping on the deal, then having buyer's (or trader's) remorse. From an outsiders point of view, I also question can you really justify the larger tractor.....you mentioned "little more power" ...and "ripping out bushes and general loader use". Now I'll be at the head of the line to be eyeballing a newer tractor....or bigger tractor...or cabbed tractor....etc. and I've stretched my fleet about as far as I can justify....but can you reeaallly justify it... The bad points I see, and not knowing much about Kubota value, it seems quite low for the trade-in offer from the dealer. I realize they have to make their $$, but if you were really serious about it I would recommend you sell yourself via Ebay or CL. you would get several thousand dollars more toward the purchase price. If you traded, you'd still owe 11K, a I'm assuming that's not including tax. And, you'd be trading 2 newer machines with very low hours for only 1 new machine....reducing versatility.
I would take some time to think it through....give yourself a week or so....typically for me the longer I wait and think about a decision like this, the more clarity I have towards the answer.
Good luck!

 

[GManBart]

That math wouldn't work for me....but there are other options as well. You could keep the ZT, sell the BX, and use that $10-12K towards a new, larger tractor with FEL and hoe from another brand, and get more machine, while still shelling out the same additional money....i.e., for $20-22K total, you can get a bigger machine than the B3200, and still have the ZD326P for mowing.

 

[Notforhire]

That math wouldn't work for me....but there are other options as well. You could keep the ZT, sell the BX, and use that $10-12K towards a new, larger tractor with FEL and hoe from another brand, and get more machine, while still shelling out the same additional money....i.e., for $20-22K total, you can get a bigger machine than the B3200, and still have the ZD326P for mowing.

+1
If you need a larger tractor there are lots to choose from.
Unless it's giving you problems I would tend to keep the Z. I think you would miss it after a short time.

Bill

 

[Bocephous]

+1
Unless it's giving you problems I would tend to keep the Z. I think you would miss it after a short time.

Bill

+2

He's making twice the money with your trades in the mix, and you're losing versatility.

 

[murphy1244]

Here, Here. Try a Kioti

 

[jenkinsph]

I think what you have now is a better choice than the B 3200 for most maintenance on 5 acres.

 

[Notforhire]

I think what you have now is a better choice than the B 3200 for most maintenance on 5 acres.

I think that depends on what the OP does on his 5 ac. He may need to move 5 ton widgets.

 

[vrman]

Wow, I'm glad I posted here before leaping! :thumbsup:

I had a feeling he was low balling me for my equipment. Just didn't seem like it was enough. Especially for the zero turn unit.

To answer your questions, I have been removing bushes from the ground with extreme prejudice with my ripper. I did about 300 feet over about 2 weeks. I have about 750 ft to go, and of course there are various trees and such mixed in with them. They are too close to a fence and row of pines to rent a dozer. Then I have about 45 dead ash trees in the yard that I'm going to have to cut down.

So anyway, I was thinking a larger tractor would be able to rip them out much quicker and save me a ton of time in general. But the reason I was thinking of trading both my units in, was because the larger tractors run $28k-$35k compared to when I bought my BX23 for $17k. I was just trying to reduce the payments as much as possible.

I should strap on the mmm and try cutting grass with that again to see how it compares to the Z. I think I know the answer, but since I've been using the Z for so long, I don't remember how it feels to cut grass on the tractor. :laughing:

I've looked at JD in the past but I don't think I've heard of Kioti. I will have to do some research on them.

Thanks everyone for some great thought provoking input! Really appreciate it!!

 

[JMER]

I wouldn't trade in for a B series, look at the L series or go to a Kioti or Mahindra. Kubota's are great (I have an L3200 and LOVE it) but I don't think the B series would give you a big enough jump to justify trading.

 

[Guesseral]

Don't forget that when you buy larger all of you other implaments will now be to small and need replaced also. :thumbdown:

 

[vrman]

Too small? Everything is still cat1, right?

 

[Notforhire]

To the OP;

Do you have attachments that arn't Cat 1, that you won't be able to use?

 

[Grandad4]

To answer your questions, I have been removing bushes from the ground with extreme prejudice with my ripper. I did about 300 feet over about 2 weeks. I have about 750 ft to go, and of course there are various trees and such mixed in with them. They are too close to a fence and row of pines to rent a dozer. Then I have about 45 dead ash trees in the yard that I'm going to have to cut down.

So anyway, I was thinking a larger tractor would be able to rip them out much quicker and save me a ton of time in general. But the reason I was thinking of trading both my units in, was because the larger tractors run $28k-$35k compared to when I bought my BX23 for $17k. I was just trying to reduce the payments as much as possible.

Is that the only specific thing you've identified that will be done better with bigger equipment? If that's it, you're dropping a lot of coin and you'll lose a lot of flexibility going to just one, bigger tractor. It's true there are some jobs only a larger machine will do, but for your 5 acres, you've already got a sweet combination for, what, 90% of what you do. A single larger machine means you'll be constantly and forever changing out backhoes, mowers and various 3 point attachments just to get anything done. At least consider keeping your mower so it's always ready.

And your local rental place probably has a mini-ex or B21 TLB that will eliminate the bushes in one weekend.

Hope whatever you decide works out OK.

 

[Will_C]

How about renting a mini excavator for the bush removal?. I also have a tractor (B2620) and a commercial Toro Z mower, and I could not imagine giving them up.

Will

 

[GreenWannabe]

Too small? Everything is still cat1, right?

Your 48" implements will probably not cover the tire tracks of a larger tractor, which could mean trading in for 60" or 72" implements. And some of them may be too light for the additional horsepower, check the specifications for each. The danger is that the new tractor could possibly damage some of those implements if they hang on something or get overloaded. Your ripper and thumb may not be sized adequately for a new backhoe.

I have to agree with Grandad4 and WillC. If your tractor will currently handle the jobs you have for it on a recurring basis, rent more appropriate equipment for the short term jobs that need more capability. If there are ongoing recurring jobs it will not handle, then an upgrade may be in order. But you need to carefully consider what other implements or attachments need to be replaced along with the tractor. You can pay for a lot of rental time for the difference on a larger tractor and implemnts.

Oh, and let me add, you may actually find it cheaper overall to hire some work done, with a machine that is large enough to get it done in short order along with an operator who has the skills to get 'er done right. BTDT.

 

[vrman]

Great advice everyone! Thank you so much!
I only have a tiller and a box blade now. Just sold the bush hog. I am in the hunt for a post hole digger and possibly a wood splitter now. (got 40+ dead ash trees I'm going to have to cut down soon) Plus I have other projects on the horizon, like redoing the sunken patio, regrading some areas for water redirection for when we get lots of rain, the septic field is 45+ years old, not sure how well that's working anymore, (still seems fine right now, knock on wood) and I'm not sure whats involved with fixing/replacing that.
WRT my 750' row of bushes. I called a half dozen places about coming out to do the work. Only one showed up to give me a quote, and he wanted $2500 just to cut them down to knee height with no clean up.

So, bottom line from everyone's input, yes, I can do it with the equipment I currently have. Could I be more productive if I upgraded to a larger machine, sure. But is it worth the additional investment for a larger machine. Hmmm...

But the other thing to consider is, I have 5 acres. I would like to do something with it that would generate some kind of income for me. Whether plowing up a section and renting it out for people to put in vege gardens, or an orchard for fruits to sell, hay/straw/wheat, I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out what kind of options I have available. I should probably start another thread about that!

 

[whizdbiz2]

I feel for you not getting contractors out, seems they don't want to do small jobs. I've had to beg some to come out to do work on my 8 acres, so I try to do most of my own. The ones that will work with me I reward with loyalty to them, I know they won't screw me on price, know my place and are honest and want the work.

 

[Grandad4]

None of us know your place and your situation, so take our advice with a grain of salt. But the thought occurs, there are probably a half dozen places in/near Joliet that rent construction equipment (Sunbelt, etc.) ... why not a weekend with a larger backhoe or mini excavator and do the tree removal yourself? It might set you back a few hundred, but you can do that many times before you ring up the $10 grand a new tractor would cost you.

I must admit I did not follow my own advice, though. My time comes and goes in fragments, so projects get done in bits and pieces. Having the backhoe ready whenever has been useful for us.