Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400...

   / Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400...
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Hadn't planned on buying a PHD, just renting it. Thanks for the voice of experiance though. I better rent one (PHD) so I can show the wife how I HAD to have this tractor to do just about anything. :D The site is in the woods, so the ground should be at least a little soft. The first step in the site prep is a dozer. Hopefully that will knock out a lot of the roots so I can drill at will. BTW, one deciding factor on going with the L3400 over the B3030, is the PTO clutch.
 
   / Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400... #22  
beersngars said:
BTW, one deciding factor on going with the L3400 over the B3030, is the PTO clutch.

beersngars, can you expand? Does the B3030 not have a PTO clutch?
 
   / Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400... #23  
canoetrpr said:
beersngars, can you expand? Does the B3030 not have a PTO clutch?
This subject seems to surface alot... the B3030 doesn't have any type of manual clutch pedal, which for whatever reason leads folks to believe that it doesn't have a PTO clutch either. Well obviously it has to or the PTOs would just be running all the time, no? What it does have is a smooth multi-disk hydraulically operated clutch (via the PTO engage lever), and you can feather it about as well as you can a pedal. This would be the infamous "hydraulic independent PTO" that is considered an upgrade feature and part of the reason why the "premium" tractors cost more. Hence, no need for clutch pedal, ORC, yadayadayada... Honestly, why would Kubota hamstring their high-end tractors by not giving them any fine PTO control.
 
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DiezNutz said:
This subject seems to surface alot... the B3030 doesn't have any type of manual clutch pedal, which for whatever reason leads folks to believe that it doesn't have a PTO clutch either. Well obviously it has to or the PTOs would just be running all the time, no? What it does have is a smooth multi-disk hydraulically operated clutch (via the PTO engage lever), and you can feather it about as well as you can a pedal. This would be the infamous "hydraulic independent PTO" that is considered an upgrade feature and part of the reason why the "premium" tractors cost more. Hence, no need for clutch pedal, ORC, yadayadayada... Honestly, why would Kubota hamstring their high-end tractors by not giving them any fine PTO control.


Yes. 100% correct. What I have read, most seem to think the foot/pedal clutch is easier to control certain implements from the seat while turning around to monitor the operation. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Interesting. I test drove a L3940HST over the weekend and I'm pretty sure that while it also had an hydraulic independant PTO , there was a clutch pedal on it as well.
 
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   / Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400... #27  
Beers,
If you're planning on buying the Woods BB600 for the L3400, you might want to revisit that decision. That thing is a very heavy 5 footer and, as I recall, weighs around 1100 lbs.

Kubota has a section in all of their tractor manuals that lists implement limitations. In there you will find the max recommended weight for rotary cutters. I think you'll find the L3400 limited to 800 lbs. or less. You, most likely, WILL be able to lift the BB600, but it'll seem like it's overpowering the tractor at times and you'll definitely need to leave the FEL on to keep the front wheels on the ground.

When I bought the 45HP L4300, I also bought a BB720 over the objections of my dealer. He recommended the BB72...which was probably a better choice. At around 1250 lbs. with chains, the BB720 is almost too much for the L4300. In the manual the recommended maximum was 880 lbs for a bush hog on the L4300 (same as the L4400). Fortunately, my old Ford 4000 is heavy enough for the 720, so that's what it's hooked to most of the time.

The L4300 (with FEL on) will lift the BB720, but the weight back there really makes itself felt. I now only hook up the lower lift arms and let the mower tailwheel stay on the ground. This nearly halves the weight actually lifted by the tractor. I have sometimes wondered whether swinging that heavy thing around and hitting something might tear out the back end of the tractor.

Another factor with the BB720 (maybe not the BB600) is that the 3pt. hitch dimensions are borderline Category II. In order to get it hooked up to the tight Cat I dimensions of the L4300 3PH, I have to partially disassemble one side of the hitch. Hookups are a real chore because of this.

Having said all this, the BB720 is nice to have when you're plowing through a lot of heavy crap. It takes it in stride.
FWIW
Bob
 
   / Trade offs on B3030 vs L3400... #28  
beersngars said:
No not the BB600. This is the one I'm getting:Woods Equipment Company - BrushBull Extreme Standard-Duty Rotary Cutters

It's called the BB60X. They list it as "Extreme Stanard Duty". :confused:

You had me a bit worried there. Never knew that they had this new line. I would still recommend looking at a 72" particularly if you need to mow around a fence line. Personally I've been quite happy with the standard standard duty. Not sure what the price difference is there. The X series at 72" is getting on the heavy side at 800lb.
 
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I'm in the "get the 72" camp as well, hopefully you can find one heavy enough to meet your needs but not too heavy for the L to manage comfortably. I think a 5 footer on that tractor would be a hindrance.
 
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No can do the 72". I want/need to be able to get up and down tight woods trails and the 72" would really hamper those plans. I know it's only another 12" wider, but it's also 12" longer. I may need to remove my loader as it stands now to manauver so adding much more weight to the rear may mean the front requires some more ballast. Guess I'll have to wait and see on that. Again, all this is speculation as I have never owner or used such equipment. I really thank you guys for your "experianced" advise. Someone mentioned wheel spacers on another thread, any idea how much wider that would put the rears?
 

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