Trailer idea

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handirifle

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I am not at home, curently, so I can't post a pic, yet. I have a trailer that was given to me. I just needed to put tires on it, so I did. It was a farm trailer, used to haul grape bins from a vinyard. It is approx 5x12 (I have to measure) and is not currently road legal, for other than agriculture.

It is VERY heavy duty, but single axle, (mobile home type axle, and 14.5" tires) so it will be about at it's limit I guess to haul my MF1010. The bed is made up of rollers, most in good working order, hence my question.

I was considering making a sort of modified dump trailer from it. I would like to still be able to haul my tractor, BUT was wondering if I could effectively make a trailer bed frame, that sat on top of the rollers, pinned in place for normal use, and when un "pinned" I could use something like an electric winch to "roll" the top trailer bed,and it's cargo off the back.

Would this work?

My MF1010 weighs about 3700, I think, and for that I would most likely use std ramps and drive up on it, but though if I had say, a load of dirt or gravel the roll off bed my make an easier unload. Worth the effort you think?
 
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My MF1010 weighs about 3700, I think, and for that I would most likely use std ramps and drive up on it, but though if I had say, a load of dirt or gravel the roll off bed my make an easier unload. Worth the effort you think?

I have an MF1010 and I think your weight estimate is high by at least a factor of 2. With a MMM it might weigh as much as 2000 pounds. I'm going by memory so I could be wrong.

Clem
 
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Many on here will argue with me, but I would dump that mobile home axle and replace it with a regular trailer axle. 1) when you have a flat, it's a TON easier to find a standard trailer tire than it is a mobile home tire and 2) mobile home axles aren't made for regular use.
 
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I am certain that it would work, but you need some serious engineering to do it right.

If you just put a sheet of plywood in there over the rollers with a couple of pins to prevent fore and aft motion, the plywood will probably fail at the point where the pin goes through it.

If you put a sheet of something stronger than plywood, like steel, with welded on bosses to take the stress at the pin attachment points, the sheet will be heavy and awkward.

Even though I think it would work, I don't know that it would work quite as you expect. For instance, suppose that you find a sheet of some suitable material, put it in the trailer, pin it and load it with something like dirt.

Now, suppose the dirt is evenly distributed on the sheet. When you get to the far end and want to unload, you can probably roll 6' of the sheet out of the trailer and it will stay essentially level. At a little over 6', the sheet will tip down, the aft end will hit the ground, and the front end will go up in the air -- all with the dirt still on it. I don't think the angle is going to be steep enough for the dirt to slide off like a dump trailer. So, you will still be left with the issue of how to get the dirt off the sheet.

If the sheet is strong enough, you could pull forward, and presumably the trailer would come out from under the sheet leaving it to crash to the ground with the dirt still on it. Unless the sheet is not strong enough, in which case it will break and wind up broken and under the dirt pile.

You are still going to have to remove the dirt pile from on top of the sheet. Unless you are very good with your FEL, the sheet of material will take a certain amount of punishment during this phase.

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The trailer sounds ideally set up to move boxes of material from one point to another at very low speed, very easy to load and unload.
 
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Many on here will argue with me, but I would dump that mobile home axle and replace it with a regular trailer axle. 1) when you have a flat, it's a TON easier to find a standard trailer tire than it is a mobile home tire and 2) mobile home axles aren't made for regular use.
I for one won't argue. I'm a truck driver, and i see those thing sitting everywhere along the roads.
If not the tires, it's the wheel bearings. The wheel is usually 500 yards down the road.
 
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I wouldn't assume it's a moble home axle unless you know for sure. Was the trailer homemade? I have a late 70's factory made tripple axle equipment trailer that has axles that use the same tires and wheels as the moble home axles but they are not moble home axles. The great thing about these axles is the tires and wheels are easy to come by. Moble home dealers sell them around here for $25. For that price I have 4 spares.

I'm not sure what you plan on hauling with the dump bed. Things like dirt and gravel add up quickly weightwise and with a single axle you may be very limited. You may find that anything you can make, like CurlyDave said, that's strong enough to take the weight may just put you to a point where you either can't move it easily or the weight is too much.
 
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I wouldn't assume it's a moble home axle unless you know for sure. Was the trailer homemade? I have a late 70's factory made tripple axle equipment trailer that has axles that use the same tires and wheels as the moble home axles but they are not moble home axles. The great thing about these axles is the tires and wheels are easy to come by. Moble home dealers sell them around here for $25. For that price I have 4 spares.

with mobile home tires you need 4 spairs for every two tires,:laughing:
 
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Curly dave
Good points and that was an area I had pondered over a bit, but still don't have a solid answer. I pictured more of a frame on top of a frame, that would be pinned to the main trailer. That frame wouldn't roll more than half way off, or just enough to tilt backwards. It would make it easier, at least to unload, theoretically anyway.

It may not really be a trailer axle, but sure looks like one, and yes the tires are expensive. I will swap axles when these tires wear out, but for now they're new and I will use it as is.

Maybe I'll just put removable sides on it and is it till I want something different.
 
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with mobile home tires you need 4 spairs for every two tires,:laughing:

My biggest problem is the tires dry rot and leak from lack of use. :laughing:
 
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If this thing is anything like what you are describing and my imagination is working properly, I see a dead end.
It's one of those situations where by the time you are finished "modifying" the original structure, the result is so far removed that the original is lost.
You are looking at more or less saving the side rails and that's it.
Hardly worth the effort of demolition, let alone the rest of the work and materials.
Rent a dump trailer if you have to have one. If it's gonna be a sit-around for the occasional use it is not worth your time.
 
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Yea probably not worth the effort. Oh well, it was a thought.
 
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I wouldn't assume it's a moble home axle unless you know for sure.

It's a pretty fair assumption. While there are axles out there that use the rim-clamp style mobile home hubs, while not technically being mobile home axles, they're much harder to come by......and much more expensive than regular mobile home axles are.

Nobody in their right mind would pony up the $$ to purchase one of those higher-dollar/higher-quality rim-clamp equipped axles when they could buy a standard trailer axle with common bolt pattern hubs that would accept 14/15/16 inch standard rims and tires.

If somebody built it.....its more than likely got one of the cheap/free MH axles under it.
 
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Let me educate you guys on mobile home tires and axles. I pulled mobile homes for over 25 yrs, pulled in 37 states pulling for federal government service members and construction company employees. Trust me, I know about them well.

Lots of utility trailers were built on them as they were free for the taking years ago and can still be bought very reasonable from mobile home dealers. Some guys will tell you they are outlawed by DOT if not on a M/H, but they are not. The axles are designed to carry a lot of weight, think about the weight of a M/H. In the 70's, the average house had only 2 axles. Today, the 50 ft homes still only carry 2. You aren't going to put anywhere close to that amount of weight on them unless you are hauling heavy equipment. For farm use or anything you are pulling with a pickup, they are more than heavy enough.

The old springs were "leaf" springs, meaning it had several "leafs" bolted together to make them heavy enough to carry the weight. The newer ones have a 1 piece spring, one solid heavy leaf instead of several leafs. I don't like the solid ones for utility trailer use, too solid, not enough weight to activate the spring. Use the older ones, more flexible and you can remove a leaf or two to weaken them for lighter use. I never weaken mine but the option is there.

Wheel bearings. They are solid and durable. The reason you see so many broken down mobile homes on the side of the road with axle failure is because they have been recycling them for years and nobody actually rebuilds them (usually), they spray paint them and send them back out to be used again. So, tear them down, check the bearings, repack with new grease and they have never given me one minutes problem in the 25 yrs I have used them on utility trailers. You can buy new bearings and seals at NAPA or any bearing dealer.

If you run the axle on the bottom of the springs, it raises your trailer higher off the ground. I have one trailer that I put the axle on top of the springs and bolted the springs back on with the same plates and U-bolts that was on it originally, did this in 1986, no problems, and I have had 7300 lbs on this single axle trailer and 6700 lbs another time. Another time I had 2 cubes of concrete blocks on it but I really felt I was overdoing it, but eased it along and no signs of damage when I got it unloaded. Didn't do that again.

Tires, now here is where the outlawed term comes into effect. If the tire has "for mobile home use only" on the side of the tire, DOT can fine you because it is NOT on a M/H. And some lil smart alec cop will do it. As the mobile homes got heavier, the factories building them started running "LT" tires, meaning "light truck" or "lowboy trailer". These tires are easily found and can be bought from a M/H dealer if you know him in the 25.00 to 30.00 range last time I bought any. As long as the tire DOESN'T have "for mobile home use only" on it, it is legal to run.

Mounting the wheel/tire on the hub. This is where people get into trouble by not knowing how to do it. When I change a mobile home tire, I only take off 3 of the 5 lugs/cleats. I never touch 2 of them, leaving 2 screwed into the hub that are side by side. The other 3 removed, bump the tire with a hammer or the butt of your hand and it usually pops right off. Put the new wheel/tire on and screw your lugs in paying attention to putting the cleat on in the right position. The cleat is usually marked, if not, pay attention to get the rounded side on the wheel, the straight side against the hub. And the wheel has a raised area that works to prevent the wheel from spinning on the cleats/lugs. Make sure the raised part is between your lugs and not under one. Snug your lugs down and tighten the center 1 of the 3 you took off, pulling the wheel back down to the hub. Tighten the other 2. Spin the tire to make sure there is no wobble, this is important, if it wobbles, it isn't pulled down evenly and the looser side will eventually work loose as you ride. Now after you have ALL lugs somewhat tightened, the wheel spins with no wobble, you need to "lock them down". You finish tightening the wheels by tightening 1 lug and skipping the next one in a "star" pattern. Tighten every other one pulling the wheel down equally as you do this. I might go around the series several times to make sure I don't get one side tighter than the other, but tighten them down good with a hand lug wrench or an impact wrench. And we all know what an impact wrench will do to car lugs, but a 1/2 inch impact wrench has never stripped out a mobile home lug with me UNLESS it was about worn out and bad threads to start with. You can feel it bottom out or lock down. Tighten it really tight as you are putting pressure on the inside of the wheel to hold it secure. And the "star" pattern of locking them down puts pressure evenly as you go around the lugs tightening every other one.

To visually check your lugs on a mobile home wheel, if you see the paint worn away in the lug area on the wheel between the lugs, the lugs/hub is spinning inside the wheel. It will eventually wear down the cleats and you lose your tire. Tighten them back up before you wear out the inside of the wheel and the cleats.

Fenders are important. Not only do they keep you from throwing mud or road grime in the rain, but they also keep your tires shaded from direct sunlight. Direct sunlight is murder on a rubber tire and if stored outside, you are also building "shelters" over your rubber.

If a person has no mechanical ability about them, I suggest they stay away from these kind of axles. But we are on a "build it yourself" forum and we all here have the ability to do these kind of things. With a lil education on the matter, these axles are heavy duty and work well IF you know what you are doing.

Another bit of knowledge about mobile home axles. Back in the 60's, mobile homes (10' wides) carried solid steel square axles, were usually a "drop" type axle, meaning the center of the axle dropped down to lower your frame closer to the ground. They had 6 lug "split" rims, the type of rim that had the removable band to mount-dismount the tire. The same axles also came on some of the 8' wide trailers/campers. If you happen to luck up on a set of these, GET THEM. They are really heavy duty. You can still get bearings/seals for them. And a 6 lug GMC pickup wheel will bolt right up on them. It makes great axles for a trailer and with later model pickup wheels, it works great. I've also seen some 6 lug straight axles from under older mobile homes that work great.

My understanding is a 6 lug wheel is just that, 6 lug, period. They are all the same lug pattern. But the hubs and brake drums are usually bigger than modern day hubs. So not all 6 lug wheels will fit over the drums, but the lug pattern is the same. So go with 15" wheels and they work well. And I have seen some 6 lug Mazda "offset" wheels that were 14" work too.

Hope this helps. I use mobile home axles on most of my trailers but I have the knowledge and access to cheap tires, so it was a win/win situation for me. And when I say cheap tires, I used Duroc lowboy tires I squirrelled back, was getting them on exchange of a regular mobile home tire that was blown. Self employed here so I wasn't stealing them, just taking the best home for my own use. When we had flats, the factories wouldn't buy our tires, but required us to bring in the flats and get a new tire for it.
 
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Great post thanks for taking theime to explain it all. It all makes sence thus ending the questins. thanks again.
 
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6011Artist

A great post!!!
I get tired of the axle police saying they are illegal!

I've been using a trailer for 30 years with a mobile home axle with no problems.

You are right on the mark when I built the trailer I sectioned the axle to make it shorter. I tore the axle down and put new cups and bearings and seals in it. 30 years later its still moving stuff. It had 14.5 split rings on it I left them on till the tires died.

It is a 5 bolt rim with a big center hole and I looked all over and found that 15" international travelall and scout rims fit it when a friend trashed one of them I found a place in Texas that had ag rims that fit and have been running them ever since.

Just don't tell the axle police:laughing:

tom
 
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Tommu56 if you think of coming up here to Ontario Canada with your trailer with the mobile home axle just be prepared to to turn right around with the trailer as fast as possible if ya don't get pulled over by a cop as those axles are illegal to use as trailer axles up here other than on a mobile home

6011Artist

A great post!!!
I get tired of the axle police saying they are illegal!

I've been using a trailer for 30 years with a mobile home axle with no problems.

You are right on the mark when I built the trailer I sectioned the axle to make it shorter. I tore the axle down and put new cups and bearings and seals in it. 30 years later its still moving stuff. It had 14.5 split rings on it I left them on till the tires died.

It is a 5 bolt rim with a big center hole and I looked all over and found that 15" international travelall and scout rims fit it when a friend trashed one of them I found a place in Texas that had ag rims that fit and have been running them ever since.

Just don't tell the axle police:laughing:

tom
 
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It has been up there 2x no one said any thing that was way pre 9/11 though.

tom
 

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