escavader
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Ive been to the sp at AUGUSTA WITH THIS QUESTION.4chains if your over 10000 lbs which you are not.However its a darn good idea any way.Ieven do it with my little KUBOTA thats just over 3000 lbs
ALAN
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Ive been to the sp at AUGUSTA WITH THIS QUESTION.4chains if your over 10000 lbs which you are not.However its a darn good idea any way.Ieven do it with my little KUBOTA thats just over 3000 lbs
ALAN
em14
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Woodland - here is the Federal Guide Lines .... follow this and you should no problem anywhere. http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/cargo/cs-policy.pdf
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KHNewman
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Here is the specific section from the DOT guidelines on load securement of vehicles / equipment under 10K. I have tried both methods. Originally I used (4) 10K axel style ratchet straps with eagle hooks on both ends and I recently switched to (2) 5/8" Grade 70 Chains.
As far as using the 4 corners method I don't see how it is more secure if you are using chains with grab hooks, which is what most truckers use. Once there is slack in the system from one corner letting go and the truck shifts on the diagonal axis slightly it is far to easy for other the grab hooks to let go as slack in introduced. The only way I see this being more failsafe is if you used sling hooks with latches on both ends of all (4) chain that would prevent the chains from releasing even with slack in the system.
I never liked the staps because I always had to stop and tighten them and no matter how hard I cranked I always noticed shifting of the machine.
I now use two grade 70 5/8" chains with one ratchet binder. I run the rear chain through a 3/4" twisted clevis attached to the drawbar. On the front I had a 3/4" D Ring welded to the front weight bracket mounting point and I run the front chain through this D Ring. I pull the tractor on the trailer front first, run the front chain through the D Ring and back up the tractor until I pull the chain tight and feel the front tires start to compress. I engage the parking brake, get off the tractor and run the rear chain through the clevis and then crank down with the load binder. The load binder can actually start to flatten the rear tires and I can tie the tractor down so tight it doesn't move an inch even at 75mph on a bumpy road.
The 5/8" chains and 3/4" rings are way overkill for a B series tractor weighing maybe 3K max with all implments since the WLL on the weakest point is 5,400 lbs.
I think the requirement for using 4 chains for loads over 10K is more about the WLL limits of chains. For a vehicle over 10K two 5/8" grade 70 chains, which are the standard for most truckers, are not sufficient because you have to account for the shock that a wheeled or tracked vehicle can deliver when the suspension or tires bounce. I think this is the primary reason (4) chains are required to provide a safety margin for vehicles that are that heavy. You can't say that two 5,400 lbs WLL chains are sufficient for a 10K vehicle because you would have to assume that all stresses on the chain are being deivered perfectly equal at all times which is nver the case.
DOT Rules for Vehicles under 10K...
Securement of automobiles, light trucks, and vans.
(1) Automobiles, light trucks, and vans must be
restrained at both the front and rear to prevent
lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical
movement using a minimum of two tiedowns.
(2) Tiedowns that are designed to be affixed to the
structure of the automobile, light truck, or van
must use the mounting points on those vehicles
that have been specifically designed for that
purpose.
(3) Tiedowns that are designed to fit over or
around the wheels of an automobile, light truck,
or van must provide restraint in the lateral,
longitudinal and vertical directions.
(4) Edge protectors are not required for synthetic
webbing at points where the webbing comes in
contact with the tires.
As far as using the 4 corners method I don't see how it is more secure if you are using chains with grab hooks, which is what most truckers use. Once there is slack in the system from one corner letting go and the truck shifts on the diagonal axis slightly it is far to easy for other the grab hooks to let go as slack in introduced. The only way I see this being more failsafe is if you used sling hooks with latches on both ends of all (4) chain that would prevent the chains from releasing even with slack in the system.
I never liked the staps because I always had to stop and tighten them and no matter how hard I cranked I always noticed shifting of the machine.
I now use two grade 70 5/8" chains with one ratchet binder. I run the rear chain through a 3/4" twisted clevis attached to the drawbar. On the front I had a 3/4" D Ring welded to the front weight bracket mounting point and I run the front chain through this D Ring. I pull the tractor on the trailer front first, run the front chain through the D Ring and back up the tractor until I pull the chain tight and feel the front tires start to compress. I engage the parking brake, get off the tractor and run the rear chain through the clevis and then crank down with the load binder. The load binder can actually start to flatten the rear tires and I can tie the tractor down so tight it doesn't move an inch even at 75mph on a bumpy road.
The 5/8" chains and 3/4" rings are way overkill for a B series tractor weighing maybe 3K max with all implments since the WLL on the weakest point is 5,400 lbs.
I think the requirement for using 4 chains for loads over 10K is more about the WLL limits of chains. For a vehicle over 10K two 5/8" grade 70 chains, which are the standard for most truckers, are not sufficient because you have to account for the shock that a wheeled or tracked vehicle can deliver when the suspension or tires bounce. I think this is the primary reason (4) chains are required to provide a safety margin for vehicles that are that heavy. You can't say that two 5,400 lbs WLL chains are sufficient for a 10K vehicle because you would have to assume that all stresses on the chain are being deivered perfectly equal at all times which is nver the case.
DOT Rules for Vehicles under 10K...
Securement of automobiles, light trucks, and vans.
(1) Automobiles, light trucks, and vans must be
restrained at both the front and rear to prevent
lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical
movement using a minimum of two tiedowns.
(2) Tiedowns that are designed to be affixed to the
structure of the automobile, light truck, or van
must use the mounting points on those vehicles
that have been specifically designed for that
purpose.
(3) Tiedowns that are designed to fit over or
around the wheels of an automobile, light truck,
or van must provide restraint in the lateral,
longitudinal and vertical directions.
(4) Edge protectors are not required for synthetic
webbing at points where the webbing comes in
contact with the tires.
KHNewman
Bronze Member
oops...I was saying 5/8" chain when I meant 3/8" chain in that last post which is rated to 6,600 lbs WLL not 5,400.
To many beers last night...
To many beers last night...
atgreene
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I get stopped by dot on a routine basis.
Latest kick is this for Maine:
under 10k pounds: 2 grade 70 chains with approved grade 70 binders. ANY attachment (loader, backhoe, 3pth implement) must also have a strap or chain. Does not need to be rated, but to save arguement I suggest you use grade 70 as well.
Over 10k, 4 grade 70 minimum, same rules on appendages. DOT is even accepting small staps on grapple skidders for the grapple, but again, a rated strap or chain is best.
Keep in mind, make sure your tow vehicle is registered for the entire load you are carrying. If your pick-up is reg'd for 7000 lbs and they pull you over they will write you. The tow vehicle must have the maximum weight you could possibly carry on the reg. My pick-up is registered for 26,000 lbs so I never have to worry about what I'm towing. They may get me for legally overloaded, but they can't get me for over registered weight.
Every DOT guy I have talked to lately says the biggest item they write-up, next to trailer brakes/breakaway is the truck being under registered. If they see you are making an effort and your reg weight is ok they generally will write you a warning.
Latest kick is this for Maine:
under 10k pounds: 2 grade 70 chains with approved grade 70 binders. ANY attachment (loader, backhoe, 3pth implement) must also have a strap or chain. Does not need to be rated, but to save arguement I suggest you use grade 70 as well.
Over 10k, 4 grade 70 minimum, same rules on appendages. DOT is even accepting small staps on grapple skidders for the grapple, but again, a rated strap or chain is best.
Keep in mind, make sure your tow vehicle is registered for the entire load you are carrying. If your pick-up is reg'd for 7000 lbs and they pull you over they will write you. The tow vehicle must have the maximum weight you could possibly carry on the reg. My pick-up is registered for 26,000 lbs so I never have to worry about what I'm towing. They may get me for legally overloaded, but they can't get me for over registered weight.
Every DOT guy I have talked to lately says the biggest item they write-up, next to trailer brakes/breakaway is the truck being under registered. If they see you are making an effort and your reg weight is ok they generally will write you a warning.
Ductape
Elite Member
Larry, just to be clear: Your backhoe is pinned straight AND in the up position for transport AND chained side to side?
Or: Pinned straight, but bucket set on the deck of the trailer then chained?
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LarryRB
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pinned straight and up, I haven't the room to drop dipper-bucket to trailer floor, In fact the hoe bucket passes the rear of trailer and is even with stand up ramp..