Oil & Fuel Transmission / Differential / Hydraulic Oil for NAA

[Soundguy]

so if gear oil is "okay" to use in the trans or diff....then i assume there is no so-called "yellow metal" in the NAA. some have written about this metal being damaged by GL-5 oils?

The 9n, 2n, and 8n have a scotch yoke belly pump plumb full of yellow metal.... that's why you see the comments about using yellow metal safe oils in pre53 fords.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

They went with the CIH supplier, and dropped the NH suppliers post merger. NH was priced lower than CIH.

Hmm.. I'm pretty sure Rick actually works for a dealership... he's not usually wrong on too many ford/NH related things...

Anyone got a msds.. that will certaintly clear this up.

soundguy

 

[RickB]

They went with the CIH supplier, and dropped the NH suppliers post merger. NH was priced lower than CIH.

In my part of the US, FL Viscosity Oils was the blender of oils for CaseIH and New Holland before the buyout and still is today.

Oil pricing at individual dealerships currently has as much to do with age of stock as brand. Last time I checked, our 134 was a few dollars per 5 gal pail less than the local CaseIH dealer's Hytran Ultra. He had fresh stock and pricing, ours was several months old. I'd bet the situation is reversed now.

 

[WilliamBos]

Hmm.. I'm pretty sure Rick actually works for a dealership... he's not usually wrong on too many ford/NH related things...

Anyone got a msds.. that will certaintly clear this up.

soundguy

I do, I do. I may stand corrected on this one. My source of info was the parts guy at our MF dealership, he worked for a Ford/NH dealership, pre & post merger,which shut down not too long after the merger. Thought one of the suppliers was Esso Canada for up here, but I cannot find any MSDS indicating so, unless that was pre-merger.



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[redneckford]

Heck Sound Guy I owned a Ford, New Holland ----Ford/New Holland Versatile ----Fiat Ford New Holland-----CNH Dealership for nearly twenty years and you guys said i didn't know what i was talking about----WE HAVE BEEN USING 80W90 GL5 IN 8N'S NAA'S 6/800 2/3000 FOR YEARS in Louisiana---With no problem---Do you really think I would have put that oil in there if I was responsible for the shop warranty from MY SHOP----I had to work on them for other people and stand behind our work!!!!!

 

[Soundguy]

the 90w oil was fine in the 8n/9n/2n hydraulics

the MANUAL indicates a different oil ( spec was posted above ) for the hyds section on the later 4 cyl models 53+

I've seen plenty of poorly working hyds on naa's and hundred series tractors, here in florida, be corrected by switching to UTF or aw32 oil...from gear oil... what you did way back when, as a dealer, on your own watch and dime has little effect on what I'm going to use in my tractor.. nor will it deter me from pointing out to someone that the manual lists the oil that the ford engineers decided was correct for that machine.

soundguy

 

[redneckford]

the 90w oil was fine in the 8n/9n/2n hydraulics

the MANUAL indicates a different oil ( spec was posted above ) for the hyds section on the later 4 cyl models 53+

I've seen plenty of poorly working hyds on naa's and hundred series tractors, here in florida, be corrected by switching to UTF or aw32 oil...from gear oil... what you did way back when, as a dealer, on your own watch and dime has little effect on what I'm going to use in my tractor.. nor will it deter me from pointing out to someone that the manual lists the oil that the ford engineers decided was correct for that machine.

soundguy

I understand-----80w 90 GL5 just does a great job in our area---most people will not spend the money to up date the seals between the trans,hyd sump and the rear end(Thin UTF's leak worse than the old straight Hyd oils?)---and so the oil all leaks together and is mixed together so they end up with the same results without even realizing it.----Also as new engineers come along ideas change----imagine running your 7610 WITHOUT an oil filter(like on many 9n's) or with the air cleaner system of some of the earlier other brands of tractors(wonder why those engines didn't last long)----I started a deep discussion one time at a dealer meeting in Orlando about the dual 300 oil filter----Pro's and Con's-----what if we just build a can with some paper in it that will just screw on--call it a filter and sell it for .99----imagine the amount of motor parts CNH would sell to those folks(profits??)----some filter MFG's do that!!! you get the idea---some engineers work for the COMPANY AND JUST DRAW A PAY CHECK(Company Line or else look for another job)---others off the record will tell you the truth(FACTS)---you know that!!! Many "Shade Tree" Mechanics have found faster easier ways to do things that because the engineers didn't think of doing it that way ---will not approve(Human nature)---But in the real world we do it to save MONEY AND TIME ----no harm done---thanks again for all you do to help the folks here on TBN----Dealerships use to do this now many don't have the employee's with knowledge (on the older stuff) nor will they allow them to "Give" that knowledge away-----Bring it to the shop and we will fix it---what a sad state of affairs---But someone has to pay those darn TAXES!!! By the way most companies today are run by the MARKETING Department ---the engineers just get all the blame---guess who gets all the credit???? Why do you think insider trading is illegal---THEY KNOW THE FACTS---not what the Marketing Department is promoting!!!

 

[Soundguy]

Hmm.. 9n's came with engine oil filters.. STOCK.

80w90 gear oil thinned with HYD oil or UTF does not equal 80w90 gear oil.

An older air cleaner.. you mena like an oil bath air cleaner? I prefer those. My 7610s's older cousin my 5000 has one of those. No problems. A properly maintained and serviced oil bath filter is very good at what it does.

soundguy

I understand-----80w 90 GL5 just does a great job in our area---most people will not spend the money to up date the seals between the trans,hyd sump and the rear end(Thin UTF's leak worse than the old straight Hyd oils?)---and so the oil all leaks together and is mixed together so they end up with the same results without even realizing it.----Also as new engineers come along ideas change----imagine running your 7610 WITHOUT an oil filter(like on many 9n's) or with the air cleaner system of some of the earlier other brands of tractors(wonder why those engines didn't last long)----I started a deep discussion one time at a dealer meeting in Orlando about the dual 300 oil filter----Pro's and Con's-----what if we just build a can with some paper in it that will just screw on--call it a filter and sell it for .99----imagine the amount of motor parts CNH would sell to those folks(profits??)----some filter MFG's do that!!! you get the idea---some engineers work for the COMPANY AND JUST DRAW A PAY CHECK(Company Line or else look for another job)---others off the record will tell you the truth(FACTS)---you know that!!! Many "Shade Tree" Mechanics have found faster easier ways to do things that because the engineers didn't think of doing it that way ---will not approve(Human nature)---But in the real world we do it to save MONEY AND TIME ----no harm done---thanks again for all you do to help the folks here on TBN----Dealerships use to do this now many don't have the employee's with knowledge (on the older stuff) nor will they allow them to "Give" that knowledge away-----Bring it to the shop and we will fix it---what a sad state of affairs---But someone has to pay those darn TAXES!!! By the way most companies today are run by the MARKETING Department ---the engineers just get all the blame---guess who gets all the credit???? Why do you think insider trading is illegal---THEY KNOW THE FACTS---not what the Marketing Department is promoting!!!

 

[redneckford]

Hmm.. 9n's came with engine oil filters.. STOCK.

80w90 gear oil thinned with HYD oil or UTF does not equal 80w90 gear oil.

An older air cleaner.. you mena like an oil bath air cleaner? I prefer those. My 7610s's older cousin my 5000 has one of those. No problems. A properly maintained and serviced oil bath filter is very good at what it does.

soundguy

I like the oil bath air cleaners also----I guess what I can't get you guys to understand is ----A customer goes to an Auto Supply House and says I need rear end oil for my tractor---The counter attendant---Saleman etc----gives them a bucket of straight 90 wt or sometimes 140w---they pour it in their tractor and the lift quits working because the oil has mixed with the hyd sump due to the poor seals-----The new Gl5 oils seem to have better heat additives than the cheaper UTFs?? Most of the problems we have had with gear oil is when they pour 140 in the hyd sump and some 90w in cold weather ---never seen any damage to the pump (haven't worked on many of the old vane pumps mostly piston pumps) or the o-ring on the lift piston just sticking of the unload valve---I understand your point and your position----80w90 GL5 works for us here and we will comtinue to use it to make our friends productive citizen's---They mostly bushhog and feed hay with those tractors around here now---not much plowing are gardening use. Maybe when those tractors where nearly new and there was little wear in them the gear oil might have made a difference----Most of the tractors that we see the owner does not want to spend much money on the lift system and by using 80w90GL5 the lift works better for carrying those heavy bushhogs that they use ---I agree that a lift system rebuilt and resealed will work well with UTF's---most everyday users in our part of the country do not want to spend the money to fix it right!!! poor people have poor ways but the grass must be cut---it is called service!!!!!

 

[WilliamBos]

Hmm.. 9n's came with engine oil filters.. STOCK.

80w90 gear oil thinned with HYD oil or UTF does not equal 80w90 gear oil.

An older air cleaner.. you mena like an oil bath air cleaner? I prefer those. My 7610s's older cousin my 5000 has one of those. No problems. A properly maintained and serviced oil bath filter is very good at what it does.

soundguy

I second that Chris. Not only is an oil bath extremely good at what it does, unlike an cartridge style filter, if the paper filter plugs in in the field on a Sunday afternoon, and you try to smack the dirt out of it, you are at a major risk of sever engine damage. Now with the oil bath, it is easily changed in the field no matter if everything is closed. New Oil, and a jug for the old, and you are good to go.