transporting fuel

[Soundguy]

Yep.. I'm sure the emergency personel responding to a home or auto fire are much happier when they know what fire hazard they are dealing with.. vs having to guess.

soundguy

 

[schmism]

Yellow is supposed to be a universal diesel color isn't it?

I have an old metal round 5 gallon can that is yellow with samped Kerosene on the side (manufacutred that way not added)

today it seems blue is the color you see marked with kerosene but tradtionally thats used to mark potable water containers....

In large above ground tanks i thought it was green...

ive always thought it was

green - diesel
red - gas
yellow - kerosene
blue - water

 

[patrick_g]

The plastic 5 gal jerry cans marked Diesel are bright yellow at all thte local outlets. The friend I sold my previous Diesel truck to made a small mistake. He thought green was the universal indicator of diesel motor fuel at a service station. Well, many if not most pumps have green to indicate diesel but not all. He started filling the tanks at a green marked puimp and got 10 gal in before realizing it was gasoline NOT DIESEL. Now what do you do? It was in California and the diesel-gas mixture is NOW TOXIC WASTE and has to be disposed of in accordance with all applicable regulations. He had fun on that vacation towing a camping trailer and only having the front 19 gal tank to use and couldn't use the 45 gal tank I had installed in the rear.

I loaned him a plastic fuel tank from upgrading the tank on my Dodge 1 ton. He offered to give gas-diesel to anyone interested but... someone stole the tank and fuel, filled their truck and the Ryder rental (a neighbor that was moving) and when last seen were driving two badly acting up diesel vehicles. It was worth losing the tank for both my bud and myself.

About transporting fuel in drums: seal the bungs well and fill the drums pretty much all the way. A partial drum of fuel is much harder to restrain with ropes or whatever than a full one as the free surface in the unbaffled container will really knock the tank around at random and is much more likely to get lose than a full one. maybe you could consider strapping a full container or two tightly to a partial tank to increase the mass and not have it get to rambunctious.

If you add more diesel to lower the kerosene percentage and find that you may store the fuel for quite a while before using it up, add Biobor or other algicide to prevent the black slime of death from growing in the tank and some diesel fuel preservative like diesel Stabil or similar.

Best of luck to you. I just called for a 300 gal delivery of off road diesel to my overhead tank and that should exceed pocket change. Last tank lasted just over a year so I use stabil and Biobor. I have seen the results of what happens if you are unlucky to get some off the black slime stuff in a diesel tank. It is worth a lot to avoid it.

Pat

Last tank

 

[markct]

The # is 1993- Fuel Oil


If the total quantity is under 119 gallons, then placarding should not be necessary. Plus since diesel is not flammable, the rules are a little less restrictive.

not only is it not neccesarry, it can get you red tagged by dot if ya get a guy who is a stickler for the rules. a local construction company that i am friends with had a 1 ton truck that they put a 90 gallon diesel fuel tank in the front of the bed. well on the theory that even tho its not required they figured it would be best to have a placard sticker on it anyhow. well a few months later when stopped in a dot check they red tagged the truck because the driver didnt have a hazmat endorsment, turned out the way the rules are worded a hazmat is needed whenever it is a placarded load, even tho it wasnt a required to be it was placarded so that put it into that category. they finaly after much discussion came to the agreement that if they peeled off the sticker they could drive the truck away, go figure. so be carefull where ya go puttin those stickers if there not required

 

[California]

He thinks its the cold weather blend from last winter any problems with using that in my tractor and storing it longer with the proper treatment?

My advice is a little different than others' here.

I wouldn't start by blending it with diesel, that will make so much quantity that if it is bad fuel it will take forever to use it up.

I would put in additives for biocide, lubricitity, and after running a tank you might decide it needs a cetane improver if its slow starting.

Then when cold weather arrives, put a sample in a jar outdoors and see if that jells. If so, then start blending the junk fuel with good diesel to get through winter. You might keep a sample of your new blend outdoors to verify it won''t jell.

You want to use that stuff up, not live with it for years.

 

[Soundguy]

IMHO.. that DOT policy runds counter to traffic safety.

If I am running with a load of fuel that does not require a plaque, and I'm in an accident.. I think the firemen will appreciate knowing that there is a combustable liquid in my vehicle.. in fact.. It would be to their benefit.. and will effect their safety.

If that had been me.. I think I would have tried for a court injunction vs the state dot to keep them from enforcing that policy, based on a 'public' safety issue.

At least down here in florida, the DOT won't stop non-com vehicles unless you are really, really breaking the law or being dangerous on the road.. I've also never seen a piece of farm or construction equipment stopped either.

Soundguy

Unfortunately when the rules are so open to interpretation based on what office / officer has made a traffic stop that it creates an unequal enforcement issue... I've seent hat in and of itself used as a defense in a traffic issue.. ( unequal enforcement ).. and it won...

As a side note.. too bad all state DOT just didn't have 1 code to follow.

1 drivers license.. 1 set of rules, 1 concealed weapon permit.. etc.. etc.

Soundguy

not only is it not neccesarry, it can get you red tagged by dot if ya get a guy who is a stickler for the rules. a local construction company that i am friends with had a 1 ton truck that they put a 90 gallon diesel fuel tank in the front of the bed. well on the theory that even tho its not required they figured it would be best to have a placard sticker on it anyhow. well a few months later when stopped in a dot check they red tagged the truck because the driver didnt have a hazmat endorsment, turned out the way the rules are worded a hazmat is needed whenever it is a placarded load, even tho it wasnt a required to be it was placarded so that put it into that category. they finaly after much discussion came to the agreement that if they peeled off the sticker they could drive the truck away, go figure. so be carefull where ya go puttin those stickers if there not required

 

[LBrown59]

I don't think they should be bugging private individuals hauling fuel for their own personal use.

 

[MikePA]

I don't think they should be bugging private individuals hauling fuel for their own personal use.

And exactly how would 'they' know this?

 

[Soundguy]

Perhaps by looking for the presence of a DOT registration number on the vehicle in question. All commercial vehicles in florida must have a DOT number on the door panel. I've heard from many other out of town drivers that this is similar in other states. I hear that this came about after the bombing of the federal building in OK.

F DOT told me, ( when i called asking a question about hauling a tractor ), that for vehicles that 'look' like comercial vehicles.. like large flatbeds used for hauling your own farm or home materials, or trailers hauling your own personal equipment, you can put a decal or plaque , or stencil " not for hire" on the door.

By 'they' .. I'm assuming whichever state DOT in the place you reside.

Soundguy

 

[MikePA]

Perhaps by looking for the presence of a DOT registration number on the vehicle in question. All commercial vehicles in florida must have a DOT number on the door panel. I've heard from many other out of town drivers that this is similar in other states. I hear that this came about after the bombing of the federal building in OK.

F DOT told me, ( when i called asking a question about hauling a tractor ), that for vehicles that 'look' like comercial vehicles.. like large flatbeds used for hauling your own farm or home materials, or trailers hauling your own personal equipment, you can put a decal or plaque , or stencil " not for hire" on the door.

By 'they' .. I'm assuming whichever state DOT in the place you reside.

Soundguy

I should have said more in response to LBrown59...How would 'they' know that someone is transporting fuel for their personal use and not someone who should be licensed but isn't.