Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430

   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430
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#11  
You ever drive an articulated machine?

I ask, because I know my PT requires a bit of steering correction because once you tell it to turn at a certain angle, it will keep turning on that radius until you change course. It cannot straighten itself out. Not possible. There is no caster/camber/toe, etc... as on a vehicle with a front axle. Heck, there is NO front axle at all. :laughing:

Yes, I have driven both a articulated and a skid steer back when I was a walking guy 35 years ago.

I used to work on all kinds of equipment, was a mechanic, and worked on most any kind of construction equipment from a Bobcat to a Gradall. Our company sold them all.

I remember the feel kind of, but was just wondering since it had been so long, and remember the feel to be kind of like driving a fork lift with rear steering in a way.
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430
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#12  
I would think with the correct valve, if you had a single joystick to control forward speed and turning direction, you could push forward as far as you want to obtain desired speed, and turn while maintaining that speed. But you'd have to hold that position to maintain that speed. You are talking about a cruise control (sort of) and I frown on that (don't take it personal, I'm smiling as I type! :D). I'd want a dead-man control so that if my hand slipped off the joystick, it would return to center and stop the tractor and the turn.

The tricky part is going to be finding a valve that has just enough light spring pressure as to not fatigue your wrist and arm when operating. You wouldn't want a beast in there that you'd be fighting for hours at a time.

I will have to see what that 1430 I am looking at has for control, as I have found some did have a cable for control of that.

I would really rather it be able to be put at a set speed. Comes in handy when you are plowing snow and such. I have a 1/4 mile private road I live off of, and I do it and my side road. Being able to set it at a set speed seems to come in handy for me when I am loading a bucket and such also. I just put it at a creep and go into something and raise and curl it at the same time.

I guess it is all in what one gets used to, and why all want a foot control, and are always asking how to convert the older tractors like I have now from hand control, over to foot control. I would hate to have that and have to be pushing it all the time mowing grass, but I have a zero turn mower I mow the grass with, and you are always changing the sticks on them with mowing around a ton of trees. I put a hydraulic/electric lift on it for the deck, and have to hold both sticks going forward while I lift it, or stop and do it.
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430
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#13  
My friend converted his B7000 to hand control as he can not flex his ankle.
Simple what he did.
He simply welded a pipe female fitting to the side of the rocker peddle and screw in about a 16" length of aluminum pipe.
Push for forward and pull for reverse.

He has been running this for about 5 years now.

I could see how that would work on one of them.

Bad thing on the PT is you have a pedal on both sides of the steering tower, so you have to be able to push on both sides, run it off the one side and push or pull it, and that might work, just need to see much space is there, as I am 6'0 and legs are pretty long, and they always seem to get in the way. Why I could never put a cab on my older tractor, as I have to lift my one leg up and put it over the steering wheel to get it to the right side when I jump over to it, as my tractor doesn't have the walk through transmission tunnel like many of the newer ones do. Seems when they have that, they are too high for me to jump over to anything to get on them.

I will tell more on what I find out when I get to see it and I will take my neighbor with me to check it out and put it through a workout, and see if he thinks we can make anything to work on it. His job is a full time machinist and see what he think we can come up with.
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430 #14  
My old IH2500b had no joystick for the FEL. Just two levers. I could operate the left one with my thumb and the right one with the heel of my palm. The two directional pedals were on the left foot. Two brakes on the right foot. Left (or right, can't remember) heal operated the diff lock. Right foot also had a foot throttle. Man, there were levers and pedals all over that thing. Amazing how coordinated one can become with a few hours in the seat.
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430 #15  
If it is hydraulic, and you have money, the joystick would be a great way to go. If not, I would take the lines off the treddle and run them up the left side of the column and attach to the side of the steering box. You have to watch your arms (tractor arms when mounting. I guess if you had to go cheap, you could easily attach a rod to the treddle and just pull up and down.

I think the PT is about 6" higher than a normal chair. For your wheelchair conversation, you would probably want to crab the tractor to load and unload. I am sure it would be easy to get your chair close in a crabbed position, but I am not sure how you get the chair away from the wheels to move forward and back once you are seated on the tractor. I am sure there is a way (long pole?)
 
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#16  
I know the feeling with all the pedals and levers. I have the two turning brakes on my JD of which I don't really use, (even though I have made handles I can push if needed) I have used them when snow is REAL deep and wanted to crab to one side when I had the blade at full angle and that did help. Don't have the diff lock on mine, but that would be another thing that I could lift my leg up and put my shoe on.
That is about how I run my implements, I use the palm for one and the front of my fingers for the other, but it does get the job done, and once you get the hang of it, isn't that bad. Back when I worked on Bobcats and such, then didn't have the controls on the sticks back then, so you always had yours hands doing one thing, and your feet doing another. I never got real good at running a Gradall or Motor Grader, guess I never had enough seat time in them.

Just wish I knew the height of the seat in a 1430, maybe someone out there can measure it for me. I have made platforms I jump over to for my JD and Hustler mower.

See if I can find a pic to attach here.

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   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430
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#17  
If it is hydraulic, and you have money, the joystick would be a great way to go. If not, I would take the lines off the treddle and run them up the left side of the column and attach to the side of the steering box. You have to watch your arms (tractor arms when mounting. I guess if you had to go cheap, you could easily attach a rod to the treddle and just pull up and down.

I will have to see once I get a look at this model and how they connected the treadle. I have seen a few pics of models that do have the hydraulics for the treadle, but someone stated that theirs had a cable for the control of it.

I think the PT is about 6" higher than a normal chair. For your wheelchair conversation, you would probably want to crab the tractor to load and unload. I am sure it would be easy to get your chair close in a crabbed position, but I am not sure how you get the chair away from the wheels to move forward and back once you are seated on the tractor. I am sure there is a way (long pole?)

The front of my chair is about 22-23". In the post before this one I put some pics of what I use to get on my Zero Turn, and JD now. I just push them away from the tractor, or flip the stand I made back for the Hustler to get on it. Then I can reach when I am on them to get them close enough to the machine.
Jeff
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430 #18  
Seems to me that you are quite handy, which is an essential trait for a PT owner. :) I do think that the PT ROPS will give you some additional hold points to help you get in/out of the tractor.

If you do get the 1430, I would recommend that you consider adding the intake preheater, given where you live. It will help the Deutz start right up in the winter time. You could also add one of the KAT heaters being discussed on another thread.

Thanks for the questions. You have me thinking about some modifications for my machine for hand controls.

All the best,

Peter
 
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#19  
Peter, I am always working on something around here. Seems the older I get, the less I want to work on things though.

I always ask as much info as I can before diving into a project, and have been looking around at what others have done. Biggest thing with the PT is I have not seen a lot that are pushing more snow then what I do with my JD now. I have found that with it Weight is a big thing for traction. and it is only 2wd, but I have gone though and done some big snows. This last year I went to a large straight ribbed tire on the front (don't have any pictures with them on it) but it helped a lot with the crab effect I had with the blade at full angle. I have only pushed some 8-10" snows this year, but was no problems to do my road, and not have to hit the turning brakes on it.

I would think about adding the intake Preheaters to it, as I remember years ago working on single cylinder Deutz, and having to crank them by hand on some machines, and that one gave the arm a workout, so I would think they should help in the cold.

Now if it would just warm up a bit and all the snow melt so I could go down and look at this machine

If I can get to something I can usually make it, or weld something up so I can use it. I have both a mig, and tig welder that I have gotten pretty good with.
Jeff
 
   / Treadle to hand control conversion on 1430 #20  
The beauty is having the snow plow on the FEL arms.... I stack snow 6' high with my little PT425. I can only imagine how much more I could do with a 1430.
 

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