Invading the rights of others - seems fairly basicAnd... what harm am I doing?
Like taking without permission is only theft if caught I suppose
Trespasser.....what would you do?
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Like taking without permission is only theft if caught I suppose
Please tell me what I'm taking? This is what I don't understand. If you never even visit your property what rights am I invading, what harm is caused if somebody walks through it? I'm not cutting trees, nor am I picking wildflowers or mushrooms, which will grow back in a year anyways. I may, possibly shoot a bird (ruffed grouse) yet that doesn't belong to the landowner in this state anyways, and most likely spent most of it's life on my property as it is much more wildlife friendly.
May you never experience a lawsuit…
Somewhere in TBN past there was a case about easement encroachment.
(It may have been pulled for legal reasons)
The issue went back and forth, a court case then snaked through the legal system and the op lost. In the process of losing time, experiencing prolonged stress, legal bills all ending in what I recall was the loss of the property due to court financial judgement.
In another matter a widow sold the family farmhouse to a jeweler who lived in town. The shrewd businessman then sued her - stated she misrepresented the home's condition. Five years later the widow won the court case, but she had to pay 5 years of legal bills first. She died of heart failure 3 years later.
Paraphrasing War Games - Sometimes the best choice is - not to play.
If your land is better why go on other’s without invite?
What’s wrong? In your mind apparently nothing - which appears to be a rather entitled view on your part “if it’s here its mine for the moment” a rather sad perspective - lack of respect.
Hunt or hike on public land to your heart’s content.
Private land “left alone for 30 years” may suddenly have livestock just outside of short target range, but still could be hit if you miss your bird. We won’t agree and that’s fine we reside in different regions – it might be a different matter if we were closer.
Something else
The property really hasn’t been visited for 30 years, perhaps there are stability issues with the ground.
Unmarked cisterns, underground structures or subterranean cave formations sinkholes. You wander about and the ground gives in. Now you’re in a hole, can’t get out or get assistance - doesn’t end well. What happens next? Will lawsuits begin? You don’t know the land and may bite off more than you can chew and others pick up the pieces. Respect others enough not to become an unwanted permanent fixture.
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First, Consider..
If you have not been to the land in many years, and that the property is held by some corporate interest? What is going on in the minds of the "trespassers? NO BODY CARES! and there is an old blind on the property, so it must be good to go.
Then think.
Most sportsmen are good people. Just like you and I. Presented with different information , they will make different decisions.
Finally. You could be friends! Friends are hard to come by. and a value that exceeds property that is seldom visited.
If you have not been to the land in many years, and that the property is held by some corporate interest? What is going on in the minds of the "trespassers? NO BODY CARES! and there is an old blind on the property, so it must be good to go.
Then think.
Most sportsmen are good people. Just like you and I. Presented with different information , they will make different decisions.
Finally. You could be friends! Friends are hard to come by. and a value that exceeds property that is seldom visited.
CobyRupert
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And the quicksand! Don’t forget there might be quicksand!
That may a concern if you search for lost idols, wear a Fedora and hate snakes…
oosik
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Jstpssng - your view of vacant property seems to be, unfortunately, somewhat universal.
It's not what you take or leave on vacant property. It's that you assume you have the right to be on that property. You can go on public land without permission. All else being equal.
You DO NOT have the right to be on private land unless given permission by the owner. It doesn't matter if you are simply sniffing the flowers or enjoying the view.
You assume you have the right to be on vacant land - simply because it is vacant.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.
I defy you to show me any law that says you can go on property - Trespass - simply because the land is vacant.
It's not what you take or leave on vacant property. It's that you assume you have the right to be on that property. You can go on public land without permission. All else being equal.
You DO NOT have the right to be on private land unless given permission by the owner. It doesn't matter if you are simply sniffing the flowers or enjoying the view.
You assume you have the right to be on vacant land - simply because it is vacant.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT.
I defy you to show me any law that says you can go on property - Trespass - simply because the land is vacant.
There is no law here stating that I can't go on it. Multiple use forests are common here, and we have strong laws protecting the landowner. There's a big difference in attitudes as you go from east to west, which reflects attitudes as the land was developed.
Why do people travel all over the world?
There is very little public land in my state, and personally I don't believe the government should be in the business of owning land.
See my comments to Oosik above.
I know my neighbors, and know what's going on here. I highly doubt that somebody could come up from Conneticutt and put in cattle 300 feet beside or in back of my house without me knowing it.
I wish that people would read a thread before making comments. Try doing that sometime. I've addressed the unlikelihood of that many times in this and other threads.
