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JTKub

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Anyone else have one? I picked one up from SLowes a couple days ago to replace my ~7yr old, $50 weedeater 'featherlight' (that's still going): http://www.troybilt.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_14102_92353_18652_-1# Lowes sells them for ~$164, plus I had a $10 off coupon. I've only clocked about 30min on her, but it seems like a nice little machine so far. The little MTD 4-stroke has a totally different mellow sound than your typical 2 stroker. Kinda sounds like a little ATV in your hands. Starts easily, power is good, weight feels the same to me as a 2 cycle, vibs the same. Fuel consumption is amazing as is the no stink exhaust & no smoke! The little OHV engine is kinda neat. It has a little ~3oz oil sump with a thread in dipstick/oil fill/oil drain port. It's got a little valve cover up top that removes with one screw so you can check & adjust valve lash. The instructions for that are right in the ops manual. Carb has a manual choke, primer bulb and an idle speed screw. She's got a big'ol muffler that exits out the bottom/rear with a servicable screen spark arrestor. Only thing I wish it had was a clutch. She's direct drive. For the price I guess you cant complain!

G/luck
Joel
 
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I have got to get a 4 cycle trimmer! I have been using electrics as I cannot stand the smell and gas/oil mixing of 2 stroke trimmers, and have to coil up some 400' of cord to trim all the places I have to get at with the electric.

I was reading Honda's site as they make the little 4 strokes for many of the trimmers, and they have a unique 360 degree mist oiling system. No more oil mixing, no more smell, and no more hard starting and carbon fouled plugs-- that is trimmer innovation! There will be chain saw versions of these engines from various makers soon.

http://www.honda-engines.com/mini.htm

-Fordlords-
 
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JTKub said:
Anyone else have one? I picked one up from SLowes a couple days ago to replace my ~7yr old, $50 weedeater 'featherlight' (that's still going): http://www.troybilt.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_14102_92353_18652_-1# Lowes sells them for ~$164, plus I had a $10 off coupon. I've only clocked about 30min on her, but it seems like a nice little machine so far. The little MTD 4-stroke has a totally different mellow sound than your typical 2 stroker. Kinda sounds like a little ATV in your hands. Starts easily, power is good, weight feels the same to me as a 2 cycle, vibs the same. Fuel consumption is amazing as is the no stink exhaust & no smoke! The little OHV engine is kinda neat. It has a little ~3oz oil sump with a thread in dipstick/oil fill/oil drain port. It's got a little valve cover up top that removes with one screw so you can check & adjust valve lash. The instructions for that are right in the ops manual. Carb has a manual choke, primer bulb and an idle speed screw. She's got a big'ol muffler that exits out the bottom/rear with a servicable screen spark arrestor. Only thing I wish it had was a clutch. She's direct drive. For the price I guess you cant complain!

G/luck
Joel


Ive got one, actually Ive owned 3. Same as the old 4 stroke Ryobi, identical.

They are okay..I still prefer a nice 25-30cc 2 stroke.

The 4stroke Ive got now is a Ryobi, has the quick-tach split boom, runs a brushcutter with a steel blade, a 20" string trimmer, and at one point, a cultivator.
I dont like it. It vibrates more as it ages, gets very hard to start, and WILL burn oil eventually. The valves are always out of adjustment it seems. The covers will tend to seep oil over the head, meaning it smokes all over your side.
Mine has the clutch, and as I got some hours on the engine, it got harder to idle at a speed low enough to stall to clutch.

They are still young yet, and arent anywhere near perfected. In 5 years we will be seeing larger displacements, better cooling, better valves, counter balancing, and less weight...

4 strokes are the wave of the future though.

Yours should serve you faithfully, but id hang onto the reciept, I know alot of people that took theirs bakc within the first month.
 
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Fordlords said:
I have got to get a 4 cycle trimmer! I have been using electrics as I cannot stand the smell and gas/oil mixing of 2 stroke trimmers, and have to coil up some 400' of cord to trim all the places I have to get at with the electric.

I was reading Honda's site as they make the little 4 strokes for many of the trimmers, and they have a unique 360 degree mist oiling system. No more oil mixing, no more smell, and no more hard starting and carbon fouled plugs-- that is trimmer innovation! There will be chain saw versions of these engines from various makers soon.

http://www.honda-engines.com/mini.htm

-Fordlords-

Wouldnt count on a 4 stroke chainsaw anytime soon. 2 Strokes still turn faster, and are low maintainance. Lighter and simpler. They last ALOT longer too.
 
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We bought a 2 cycle one from Lowes last year the motor set up after about 1 hr. We took it back got a new one and my wife was using it this year and on the 3rd tank of gas this one set up , and yes I mixed the gas and oil right . We took the power unit back again , along with the extendable chain saw , edger which was never used, weed wacker and the brush cutter which also was never used. Got a full refund . I happened to be at Holland Hardware, as I live in West Falls NY they had the exact same thing in 4 cycle so I bought that thought we would try it. We are on our 2nd tank of gas and still working. Now we just have to buy the attachments back.
 
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Trimmers with the Honda mini GX are just coming on to the market now- it is not and has nothing to do with any engine manufactured by Ryobi, and a trimmer with the Honda 4 stroke will be one I will be in the market for. I will bank that they will have the smoothness and reliability people want on a trimmer.

The chain saw testing I read in a press release- the mini GX'es produce all the power and RPM's along with 360 degree running capabilites needed in a chain saw. With EPA emissions requirements becoming more strict on all gasoline powered equipment, look for it to come more sooner than later. :)

More cool small engine bed time reading for you:

http://www.honda-engines.com/engines/igx440.htm

-Fordlords-
 
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Fordlords said:
Trimmers with the Honda mini GX are just coming on to the market now- it is not and has nothing to do with any engine manufactured by Ryobi, and a trimmer with the Honda 4 stroke will be one I will be in the market for. I will bank that they will have the smoothness and reliability people want on a trimmer.

The chain saw testing I read in a press release- the mini GX'es produce all the power and RPM's along with 360 degree running capabilites needed in a chain saw. With EPA emissions requirements becoming more strict on all gasoline powered equipment, look for it to come more sooner than later. :)

More cool small engine bed time reading for you:

http://www.honda-engines.com/engines/igx440.htm

-Fordlords-

Ill stick with a 2 stroke in my trimmer, and Chainsaw...4 strokes are nice, but are better suited for push mowers and riders.

Ive had my little 2 stroke weedeater for a long time now, and Ive never had any trouble with it. Its a 23cc Ryobi professional. Its an Echo Clone. Cranks on the first pull, every time, idles like a dreak, cuts through the thickest wet weeds.

4 stroke is just more parts to break. Keep it simple, 2 Strokes.

obtw- Ill never own anything else Honda. Got a HR194 push mower, and that is a true junker. Its so finicky.

Only thing I like that is Honda is my Pressure washer. 5hp GC160.
 
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Fordlords said:
..I was reading Honda's site as they make the little 4 strokes for many of the trimmers..

Man I would have loved to be able to justify one of those! If you can justify the cost, you can bet they are the best you can get. I was checking out the honda trimmers while I was at the honda dealer ordering a part for my HRS216 push mower. They are definately top of the line as far as 4-stroke string trimmers go (they dont even make a 2-stroke). Just not wise for me to pop ~$400+ towards one for my needs.

G/luck
Joel
 
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MT372HERE said:
... 2 Strokes still turn faster, and are low maintainance. Lighter and simpler. They last ALOT longer too.

With today's technology yes. Give them some time and they will far surpass a 2 cycle.

Joel
 
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For those who like Honda engines (I know some don't- not a rah-rah Honda post) as Honda has stopped making lawn and garden tractors they opted to become an engine supplier to the major L/G tractor and yard equipment makers, much in the same way Kawasaki did. This will ultimately bring the cost of Honda powered equipment way down, and Honda is already going all out in developing new technologies for this market. The new iGX engines will automatically adjust engine throttle settings based on engine load to conserve gas.

Honda engines are already avaliable on L/G tractors in Canada (First taker was AYP/Craftsman LOL) but they have to be emissions certified in the USA yet, I believe I read the first L/G tractors that will have Honda power here will be upper end (non-MTD) Toros. It just puts another ball to toss around in the market. Hopefully they will stick to one line of engines, and not opt for the, "Here is our premium line of engines, and here are our economy ones," like Briggs and Kohler have done which really confuses the consumer.

-Fordlords-
 
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Fordlords said:
For those who like Honda engines (I know some don't- not a rah-rah Honda post) as Honda has stopped making lawn and garden tractors they opted to become an engine supplier to the major L/G tractor and yard equipment makers, much in the same way Kawasaki did. This will ultimately bring the cost of Honda powered equipment way down, and Honda is already going all out in developing new technologies for this market. The new iGX engines will automatically adjust engine throttle settings based on engine load to conserve gas.

Honda engines are already avaliable on L/G tractors in Canada (First taker was AYP/Craftsman LOL) but they have to be emissions certified in the USA yet, I believe I read the first L/G tractors that will have Honda power here will be upper end (non-MTD) Toros. It just puts another ball to toss around in the market. Hopefully they will stick to one line of engines, and not opt for the, "Here is our premium line of engines, and here are our economy ones," like Briggs and Kohler have done which really confuses the consumer.

-Fordlords-

I feel for all the people that got shafted with the Kohler Courage....THAT is a true HEAP!

Kohler Command is okay, Magnum was AWESOME, K series was bulletproof!

Briggs had everybody fooled with the "I/C" engines...As well as the early "intek" engines.
Those new "cool bore" engines, the 5.5, 6.0, 7.0, Horizontal engines are odd little buggers. They are Aluminum bored, Aluminum pistoned, Chrome Ringed. They work well for about a year, then they are DONE!

Ive got a 10hp Industrial Plus on a Gokart, THAT is a briggs! Ball Bearing mains, really well built.

My favorite are the Onan Performer Series, and Kohler Magnums and K series.
 
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MT372HERE said:
Ill stick with a 2 stroke in my trimmer, and Chainsaw...4 strokes are nice, but are better suited for push mowers and riders...

Why have you owned three 4-cycle powered trimmers then?!?

Joel
 
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JTKub said:
Why have you owned three 4-cycle powered trimmers then?!?

Joel


Price was right.

1st was given to me by a friend, it was about a year old.
2nd was a troy bilt one, lady bought it new, and couldnt ever seem to get it started, so I bought it for cheap.
3rd was given to me by my neighbor. He bought it and used it for a while, didnt like it, and gave it to me with attachments.

All were pretty much new. The Troybilt WAS new.

Ill never buy another one. Ive discovered high quality 2 Strokes. Shindaiwa, Echo, etc, etc...
 
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Can't beat the old Kohler K series cast iron singles for reliability and smooth running. The Series I KT twins were trash, but later Series II OK. Magnums were essentially K series engines with magneto instead of points ignition and were bulletproof too. K's and Magnums love to drink a lot of gas though. I have one Kohler Command single on a Craftsman thus far 10 years of use without any problems with it, runs all season without adding oil and fires right up. After the thread on the CC forum where the flywheel came loose and sheared the key on a new Kohler Courage, I think I will avoid those jobs. I think Kohler was pressured by tractor manufacturers to come out with that economy line, and they shoud have said no. When Wal-Mart asked Wrangler to produce a cheaper line of jeans for them and Wrangler said no, did it stop Wal-Mart from carrying their product? No, and the same would have held true for Kohler with the tractor makers. Why risk making something of lesser quality when it can damage a good name and reputation?

Onan Performers were a teriffic engine, despite being an aluminum engine they held up very well and became John Deere's answer to blown up Kohler KT's. Unfortunately Onan no longer makes small engines.

For whatever reasons I never had any luck with Briggs and Stratton, every one I owned I managed to kill in a short period of time. Only one I hear of that gets rave reviews is the Vanguard, which is not even made by Briggs themselves I believe someone said it is made by Diahatsu. Tecumseh engines never did anything to make me smile either.

"Briggs had everybody fooled with the "I/C" engines...As well as the early "intek" engines.
Those new "cool bore" engines, the 5.5, 6.0, 7.0, Horizontal engines are odd little buggers. They are Aluminum bored, Aluminum pistoned, Chrome Ringed. They work well for about a year, then they are DONE!"

Didn't GM try that aluminum nickasil bore thing with the original Vega 4 cylinder engine in the 70's and they all fried after a few months? Those little Briggs I went through 20 years ago I recall did not have cast iron liners in them either which is probably why they didn't last too long.


Being an ex-motorcycle mechanic I have bais towards Kawasaki and Honda, and both makes are rated among the best for small engines. I have owned and serviced many products from both makers and never came across one that was bad or I did not like. It might happen some day, but not yet.

I have yet to hear of anyone who uses a Robin/Subaru engine on anything. They seem to be trying to get into the 15-25 HP market, but one thing about them that scares me is they all are splash and not full pressure lubed, kind of sounds behind the times.

-Fordlords-
 
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MT372HERE said:
Price was right...

Yep, you cant argue with free or cheap! In all honesty though, I wouldn't expect any new $160 trimmer, 2 or 4 stroke to be a Cadillac trimmer. I'm sure the commercial grade jobbies will stay 2-cycle until the EPA puts the squash to them.

G/luck
Joel
 
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Fordlords said:
Can't beat the old Kohler K series cast iron singles for reliability and smooth running. The Series I KT twins were trash, but later Series II OK. Magnums were essentially K series engines with magneto instead of points ignition and were bulletproof too. K's and Magnums love to drink a lot of gas though. I have one Kohler Command single on a Craftsman thus far 10 years of use without any problems with it, runs all season without adding oil and fires right up. After the thread on the CC forum where the flywheel came loose and sheared the key on a new Kohler Courage, I think I will avoid those jobs. I think Kohler was pressured by tractor manufacturers to come out with that economy line, and they shoud have said no. When Wal-Mart asked Wrangler to produce a cheaper line of jeans for them and Wrangler said no, did it stop Wal-Mart from carrying their product? No, and the same would have held true for Kohler with the tractor makers. Why risk making something of lesser quality when it can damage a good name and reputation?

Onan Performers were a teriffic engine, despite being an aluminum engine they held up very well and became John Deere's answer to blown up Kohler KT's. Unfortunately Onan no longer makes small engines.

For whatever reasons I never had any luck with Briggs and Stratton, every one I owned I managed to kill in a short period of time. Only one I hear of that gets rave reviews is the Vanguard, which is not even made by Briggs themselves I believe someone said it is made by Diahatsu. Tecumseh engines never did anything to make me smile either.

"Briggs had everybody fooled with the "I/C" engines...As well as the early "intek" engines.
Those new "cool bore" engines, the 5.5, 6.0, 7.0, Horizontal engines are odd little buggers. They are Aluminum bored, Aluminum pistoned, Chrome Ringed. They work well for about a year, then they are DONE!"

Didn't GM try that aluminum nickasil bore thing with the original Vega 4 cylinder engine in the 70's and they all fried after a few months? Those little Briggs I went through 20 years ago I recall did not have cast iron liners in them either which is probably why they didn't last too long.


Being an ex-motorcycle mechanic I have bais towards Kawasaki and Honda, and both makes are rated among the best for small engines. I have owned and serviced many products from both makers and never came across one that was bad or I did not like. It might happen some day, but not yet.

I have yet to hear of anyone who uses a Robin/Subaru engine on anything. They seem to be trying to get into the 15-25 HP market, but one thing about them that scares me is they all are splash and not full pressure lubed, kind of sounds behind the times.

-Fordlords-


The KT17 was a good engine, but that 3psi lube system was crap!!!
The Briggs 14-17hp Vertical Shaft OHV engines are good, require some maintainance, but overall good.
The newer 18hp Single cylinders are CRAP. They have no torque. I can do more with my 8hp Kohler than that 18hp Briggs.

The Kawasakis in the JD 325-345-425-445 were my favorite. The liquid cooling was awesome. The smaller ones im not a fan of.

I repair these things, and HONDA is about overrated. Just like Stihl. Everyone seems to swear by Stihl Saws, and Icant figure out why. I see just as many broken Stihls as I see Homelites and Poulans. Its just that Stihls cost more the fix.
Hondas lack Torque. I had a new Honda HRM216 in for an oil change. I had some thick grass I let grow up for product testing. And it lugged down to a stall in it. I then brought out a 4hp Craftsman, and it did it without a hiccup...Hondas usually start easier, are quieter, but not worth the extra money, IMHO.
 
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I'm going on my 2nd season w/a Troybilt TB490BC and it's worked very well for me. No smoke, no valve problems, no oil leaks, starts very easily and has no problem working the dual line head nor 8" brush blade.

I definitely like 4 stroke over two stroke.....

Volfandt
 
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I had a JD 767 ZTR I transported in my truck to shows for a while last winter, it had the liquid cooled Kawasaki with EFI. Lowest temperature was 7 degrees in the back of the truck one morning in CO, and that engine still started right up with only about 3 seconds of cranking, and no choke to set! Amazing engine.

I chose the 18 HP Honda GX610 to replace my old KT17 Kohler in CC682 as it had a torque rating nearly 5 ft/lbs higher than the KT17 at the same 3600 RPM. After the swap, I can honestly say the Honda GX blows the original KT17 away in every aspect I can think of, especially when it comes to only having to look for the gas can about half as much. (No laughing matter today!) Nonetheless the smoothness, quietness, cooler running, pressurized lube and filter, instant starting, more power and torque, electronic ignition, 2000 hour life rating, etc. Price was right on par with same HP Kohler Command, new (leftover) KT17SII's are way overpriced at over $2000 now. I'm not usually one who gives a hoot about product ratings, but in my initial rating, and yes it's only 20 hours so far, but thus far it's not hard to see why the Honda commercial engines are rated so well.

Back to the trimmers LOL!.... My judgement on wanting the 4 stroke trimmer is that sometimes the women-folk here have to do the yard chores as I work out on the road. They complain about winding the extension cords on the electrics, yet could never get the 2 stroke gas trimmers to start, and when explaining to them how to mix gas and oil properly I felt like I was teaching differential calculus- they simply will not use the things. Figuring if a good 4 stroke trimmer will start easy and all they have to do is put gas in it and it doesen't beller out funny smelling smoke, I will have a winner.

-Fordlords-
 
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Fordlords said:
I had a JD 767 ZTR I transported in my truck to shows for a while last winter, it had the liquid cooled Kawasaki with EFI. Lowest temperature was 7 degrees in the back of the truck one morning in CO, and that engine still started right up with only about 3 seconds of cranking, and no choke to set! Amazing engine.

I chose the 18 HP Honda GX610 to replace my old KT17 Kohler in CC682 as it had a torque rating nearly 5 ft/lbs higher than the KT17 at the same 3600 RPM. After the swap, I can honestly say the Honda GX blows the original KT17 away in every aspect I can think of, especially when it comes to only having to look for the gas can about half as much. (No laughing matter today!) Nonetheless the smoothness, quietness, cooler running, pressurized lube and filter, instant starting, more power and torque, electronic ignition, 2000 hour life rating, etc. Price was right on par with same HP Kohler Command, new (leftover) KT17SII's are way overpriced at over $2000 now. I'm not usually one who gives a hoot about product ratings, but in my initial rating, and yes it's only 20 hours so far, but thus far it's not hard to see why the Honda commercial engines are rated so well.

Back to the trimmers LOL!.... My judgement on wanting the 4 stroke trimmer is that sometimes the women-folk here have to do the yard chores as I work out on the road. They complain about winding the extension cords on the electrics, yet could never get the 2 stroke gas trimmers to start, and when explaining to them how to mix gas and oil properly I felt like I was teaching differential calculus- they simply will not use the things. Figuring if a good 4 stroke trimmer will start easy and all they have to do is put gas in it and it doesen't beller out funny smelling smoke, I will have a winner.

-Fordlords-


meh, to each their own. When the P218 Onan Goes in the Jd 316, I wont be looking to Honda for a repower. Ill likely drop the bucks into a NOS Linamar/Onan, if there are any left, or into a Comparable Kohler.
Id put in a Briggs Vanguard before I put in a Honda.

Im even tempted to check into the Robin Subaru Twins, buit its not looking good.

What I like about My Old Kohlers is:

Std. bore wears out, bore 10 or 20 over, when thats wears out, bore it 0.030 over, when that wears out, bore it 100 over, press in a sleeve, back to Std. and start all over.

Theoretically, you cant wear one out. You can blow em up, but not wear em out. And its worth it to rebuild one.

I hate that Onan is out of business, they were some of the best made.

Some people really like Hondas, and except for my new PRessure Washer, I cant stand them.

I saw a JD 400 with the Honda repower and the engine was horrible. It was a 20hp V-Twin, and it wouldnt do near what the original engine did.
 
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I have a Honda GC160 5hp powering a pressure washer, a B&S Intek 206 6hp powering a Cyclone Rake, an old B&S 02920808 5hp powering a rear tine tiller and an even older Kohler K181S powering a WheelHorse L&G tractor and if I were to rank each according to what I feel is best to least it would go K181S, 02920808, Intek 206 then GC160.

The K181S produces constant reliable power for it's compact size and has been doing it for well over 2k hrs of operation. I would take a K series engine of any hp rateing over any other brand. (2nd place would go to a Magnum, single or twin, H or V)

I loaned the B&S powered tiller out once and it was returned with a locked up engine. It was run out of oil and locked up tight. After removing the head and soaking it over night I was able to un sieze the piston and it has worked great for approx 100 hrs since. It has two output shafts, one that is geared off of the crankshaft so that it turns in the opposite direction and this is how the tiller has a reverse.

The Intek 206 starts on the 1st pull every time. I've only about 20 hrs on it but it runs strong. It's also the 2nd loudest behind the Kohler.

The GC160 takes a few more pulls to start but once it does it runs very well. It uses the same exact air filter as the Intek 206 and I suspect theres other simularities.

Surprisingly none of these engines have oil filters and they all rely on splash lube to oil the internals.

Simple and reliable, they all fit in well in my world :D

Don't mean to hi-jack but this thread seems to teeter back and forth between 4 cycle trimmers and other 4 cycle engine apps :D

Volfandt
 
 
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