Truckers strike

   / Truckers strike #11  
If the independent truckers arent making money by driving their truck, fuel costs so high and tolls so high and companies wanting work done so cheap than they would save money by all of them striking for say 2 weeks then distibuters would not be making money , manufactors would not be making money and the dealers would not have products to sell. Whether it be banaas or tractors. When I use to dairy farm some of the farmers would dump their milk well it was usless not enough people did it you have to get at least 90 to 95 % of the people to join in. V
 
   / Truckers strike #12  
I was an owner operator for many years i know how they hurt . They cannot park their trucks and the fuel companies know it . If they park thier trucks they instantly loose the freight companies they carry for as they will find someone else to cart the loads . Also if they park they cannot find the $4000+ per month in truck loan repayments , insurance payments , house payments , truck registration and living costs . One day off the road is more than some can bear , one week is suicide .
 
   / Truckers strike #13  
Rockman said:
Hmmm?? I guess they don't want us to use others url's. Lets try this, w w w. truckersreport dot com
The only thing wrong with the link in your first email is the title.:rolleyes: Try clicking on it and see where it takes you. 'They' didn't do anything to your link.
 
   / Truckers strike #14  
I wouldn't raise an eyebrow to truckers raising prices in response to their fuel costs.

Z

I would agree with your post except for the above quote. A very large and growing segment of the population can't afford the increase in their budget. Here in the Northeast many have to make a choice each day between heat, medicine, and food for the family. All the while the major oil producers are posting record profits in the billions each quarter. I understand free market but in this case greed is showing it's ugly head and basicly hold the market hostage.
 
   / Truckers strike #15  
Problem is folks won't stick together. look at union member statistics. Always down. too may people in this country just grin and bear it. I think unionization is the answer to a lot of these problems.
 
   / Truckers strike #16  
This was on the local news last night here in Dallas Ft. Worth. It was said to be a 3 day strike. The drivers they interviewed all agreed but said they would keep trucking. got to pay there bills.

My inlaw is an independant with 30 years of decent contracts including government,he spends $800-$950 per day in fuel.

3 days of no truckers would effect this country big time, 1-2 weeks, geeez I think you would see crime skyrocket. What would we all do without food and basics?
There are so many variables, we could start a web sight just on this topic, Desiel demand in China and Asia is astounding, yet we have demanded low prices for products for so long nearly everything you buy comes from overseas, and guess who trys to regulate pollution and global warming?

How much fuel do you think is going to operations in Iraq? who pays for it? so far, not Iraq, they have a record surplus with value in the billions at todays prices.

I understand buying fuel based on "futures", I know truckstops from Petro, T/A down to small stores buy fuel this way, but the way I understand it, they buy fuel at todays price not so much that it is discounted but that it locks in a price for a period of time., like some home heating oil suppliers do for home owners.

I rememmber when it was cheaper to buy desiel, then the popularity of desiel trucks came along and ....

Could we be suffering to a degree from our change in culture? to a glutenous country? Was there a time in our history where a farmer and his wife sat down many a night to discuss whether they could afford a tractor to help bring more crops to market, the risk the benefits of putting there name or savings on the dotted line so they could grow 100 more acres of corn?

I bought my little tractor so It would be easier to take care of my little 15 acres and really no other reason, do I really need it? probably not but I WANT it. Kinda like my wifes corvette, can't haul hay with it or pull a trailer heck it only carries 2 people! ( carries them real fast though).

I think we'll see a time when the word "car-pull" is "chic" , I will pay the higher prices because I have too, I will change a few things to try and compensate, but I think we have "stubbed" our toes on this one.

Sorry for my long winded essay, now we need to tackle the mortgage mess..lol
 
   / Truckers strike #17  
Don't like fuel prices? Slap a tree hugger! No new refineries built in the last 20-30 years and the ones running are running 24-7. No drilling even though we have more oil/gas in the ground and offshore.
Low sulfur diesel- remove the sulfur you get less gallons per barrel.
 
   / Truckers strike #18  
I tend to agree, we need more refining capacity. Obama blamed the oil company execs this AM on the radio for not investing in more refiniing capacity - yeah, right, like the tree huggers and the NIMBY's would let them!

But still, while I'm generally a free market guy, you run into a problem when a few suppliers can strangle a market. It's not a monopoly, it's not really a consortium, there's no real way to prove collusion. And it's not really a free market - I'm not going to start an oil company next week just because I have a few bucks and I'm sure I can do it cheaper than Exxon.

Then too, not a little part of this increase is because the dollar is weak on the global market and so the foreign oil costs more dollars, no matter the demand.

And demand IS strong, and growing world-wide. What can WE do? On a practical level, SLOW DOWN! I can't get over how I am constantly passed by Escalades, Navigators, and the like blowing by at 65-70 mph or more - guess if I had one of those behemoths I could afford the gas - but still, slowing down can make a HUGE difference in over-the-road consumption. Air resistance goes up as the square of your speed, and overall energy use as the CUBE - so 70 mph vs 60 is a 59% increase in fuel usage for the same distance. 60 to 75 is nearly double - 95.3%

Next, stay off the brakes! Mechanical brakes are wasted energy. Try to keep your speed constant, don't run up on the slow poke in the passing lane (though it boils my blood as well), try to anticipate stops and let off the gas.

Get up to highway speed on the merge ramps and pick your spot, and if you're out there and see someone on the ramp (say, a trucker with a big load who couldn't get up to highway speed), try to move over - if we cooperate and think of the other guy, we can all make things go smoother.

Of course we all know the old saws about a good tune up, tire pressure, etc, and these remain important - plus no jackrabbit starts, all that. But at the same time, it's all about flow - taking a real slow windup from a stoplight when there's a huge line of traffic is wasting more gas behind you than you're saving, I'd reckon.

I drive a supercharged 240 hp GM car, and I get 25 mpg using these easy-go methods. Considering 50% of my 26 mile commute is urban, I think that's pretty good.

Still, The only way to lower these prices that is in our immediate control is to lower demand. No matter what the gov't does, it will take a while, and they'll probably just screw things up worse. Cut out optional driving, combine trips - we probably all do this now just out of pure necessity - but look for more ways to cut if at all possible, just to help lower demand overall. And give truckers - and other motorists - a break. The smoother, the more uniform the flow, the less wasted energy.

Past this, I'd say we need to demand of our state lawmakers that they agree on a set of standards to stop the summer blending of "boutique" fuels - If I have my info right, during summer the refineries have to put out some 25 or 26 different blends to meet various state antipollution regulations. That's a huge expense, and we see it every spring. That's gotta be Stupid, Class 1. I may have my info wrong on this, though, so if anyone has anything better...

That's enough for now.
 
   / Truckers strike #19  
TomOfTarsus said:
I tend to agree, we need more refining capacity. Obama blamed the oil company execs this AM on the radio for not investing in more refiniing capacity - yeah, right, like the tree huggers and the NIMBY's would let them!

But still, while I'm generally a free market guy, you run into a problem when a few suppliers can strangle a market. It's not a monopoly, it's not really a consortium, there's no real way to prove collusion. And it's not really a free market - I'm not going to start an oil company next week just because I have a few bucks and I'm sure I can do it cheaper than Exxon.

I agree with most of Tom's comments, except the above. It's true that oil monopolies are a problem - but they aren't ExxonMobil, Shell and BP. The state-owned oil countries of most middle eastern countries, especially Saudi Arabia's Aramco, and of other major producers like Russia, Venezuela and Mexico are far larger companies than even Exxon. And in country after country, the US and european oil companies get kicked out to nationalize the petroleum industry, transferring more power from those US companies over to foreign state oil companies. Also, ever hear of OPEC? It's a cartel, intended to control and increase prices. It doesn't work all that well, but it sure doesn't reduce prices. Mostly it is an issue of supply and demand.

As for refining - my view is that oil companies aren't stupid and aren't easily cowed by environmentalists. If they saw money to be made by opening new refineries, they would find a way to do it. I interpret this to mean that they don't see the supply of oil increasing any time soon (likely ever) and therefore have no reason to invest in excess refining capacity that will lower their profits to a greater extent than it will increase supply.

The free market isn't pretty or stable. It almost guarantees supply, by allowing prices to do whatever they may. If you choose to control prices by government intervention, supply will become erratic and unpredictable, just as it did in the US in the 1970's. I would rather not have gas lines and closed stations.
 
   / Truckers strike #20  
Not to get involved in the oil companies -vs- the consumer debate, but here in the Chicago area the truckers have done some slowdowns and actually have stopped traffic on some of the interstates. This has gone on most of the day today. I believe that it has also been happening across the country based on what I am hearing on our radios.
 

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