Trying to make a difficult decision

   / Trying to make a difficult decision #71  
Budgets are tight all over. I'd recommend selling the truck and buying a VERY fuel efficient car. I own a $4000 Honda civic that gets me almost 40 MPG. I have my old beater truck, too. Neither one is pretty and their both noisy, but I'm not digging a hole in my bank account.

The truck's paid off and the Honda note runs $100 per month.

Save up and keep your eyes open for an inexpensive truck that meets the most basic requirements.

Don't let pride or excuses put you out of your home and farm. Haul hay in the van for a while.
 
   / Trying to make a difficult decision #72  
I'm definitely in the rare camp as I bought my Accord new in 1995 and would drive it anywhere without qualms. It has about 147,000 miles on it.

My bought new 1999 F-250 has under 36,000 miles on it. Yes, you can see how much I use it; but I'm happy with it.

Before that I somehow coaxed 150,000 miles out of an '83 S-10 pickup. What a POS that thing was. I got rid of it in 1995.

I am too.. my dodge is going on 11 ys now..

had a 90 ford mini van traded in 09 on a clunker deal..

I usually run mine till there is no good left in them.

soundguy
 
   / Trying to make a difficult decision #73  
Do you really think that will happen? its been my experience, that everyone i have run across that faces a similar problem... didnt trade in and or sell a 15 year old vehicle(they bought new) to buy the brand new one. They traded in some 3-5 year old something they were still makeing payments on (on had just recently payed off)

The idea that people drive the same car for more than 7 years is rare. over 10 years is unheard of. Ive owned my toyota truck for 11 years now... feels like a LIFE TIME ago when i bough it! it has 240K miles on it.

After moveing our house to a nearly 100% cash (as in green cash) household you quickly learn that makeing ends meat has everything to do with the money you can save TODAY! not in a month, not in a year not in 10 years.
I have a 1989 Nissan pickup i bought new 21 years ago this month.
Still runs and looks like new with only 47000 miles on it.
 
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   / Trying to make a difficult decision #74  
As a friend of mine living in Toronto tells me, "Canadians, especially Ontarians love to pay taxes." If there is as much Gummint nannyism up there as I suspect, that will drive up the cost of everything.
 
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#75  
Do you really think that will happen? its been my experience, that everyone i have run across that faces a similar problem... didnt trade in and or sell a 15 year old vehicle(they bought new) to buy the brand new one. They traded in some 3-5 year old something they were still makeing payments on (on had just recently payed off)

The idea that people drive the same car for more than 7 years is rare. over 10 years is unheard of.

FWIW - so far, while I have bought my previous vehicles new and taken the depreciation hit on the steep part of the curve - first few years - it has not bothered me much because I have kept them for a good long time.

My truck replaced my 1999 Honda Accord with 300000 km on it - which I purchased brand new 10 years before the truck. I would have kept it going as my commute car but it was 5 speed and had the tightest clutch that you could ever imagine. So much that I've injured my back with my time in that car.

My 2005 Odyssey that the DW drives - which was purchased brand new, now has 200000 km on it. We will be keeping it until it dies.

There are some interesting differences I have gathered from some things that we have to consider in the great white north here and I am guessing from the parts of the USA many of you are from. I'm sure it is not much different from the northern states that get as much weather as we do.

For starters, 10 or 12 years is pretty much what we would consider the life of a car up here. The salt on the road in the winter and just the temperatures if you ask me, tend to lower the lives of our vehicles. Thus I think the age vs. mileage equation is often not the same. Heck, I find that I have to rust proof annually to get 10-12 years rust free.

I'm still keeping my options open and will make a final call in the spring. My situation is not quite so desperate as it might have sounded like from my first post. If I truly could not afford it, my truck and every other hobby that I have would be gone.

There are an interesting set of variables to consider including:
- The depreciation hit that I have already taken on the first couple years of the truck.
- Transaction costs (sales taxes etc.)
- Will I be kicking my self and hating my drive if I go to a much cheaper car?
- The cost of a new set of snows and rims for whatever new ride I might get.
- If I don't go with something really really cheap as a commuter car that I can get paid off in a year then the delta in savings starts to make less sense.
- Cost of a used trailer.
- Cost of a dog trailer. One reason I have the truck is that I participate in a sport with my dogs and I have a dog box mounted in my truck. This complicates things a bit. Having my dog(s) in my car makes a mess of things quickly - which is one reason I moved to the truck to begin with.

After some looking around at vehicles I would be happy driving on my commute, I am coming up with stuff that would sell for $15000 or so + taxes + winter tires + trailer + possibly a dog trailer and taking a big hit on my dog box.

The equation is tilting towards keeping the truck as DiamondPilot was suggesting and driving it as I had planned - for a good 10+ years - whatever the life of it is.

I've appreciated all the thoughts. You guys are awesome for getting someone to consider all sides of the equation. Even if I do hang on to the truck, I am more convinced than ever that I need to bank the money once it is paid off - to save for whatever next vehicle will be needed to replace my DW's van - and a cash purchase is the way to go - even if it means purchasing used - which she will be perfectly fine with.
 
   / Trying to make a difficult decision #76  
I think you are going about this the right way. The selling of the truck just does not make sense. You need it and you have taken most of the hit. Its probably worth $25000 used and it just does not make sense to spend $20000 on a used one with 4 times the miles and no know history that is not what you want or do what you need.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Chris
 
   / Trying to make a difficult decision #77  
As a friend of mine living in Toronto tells me, "Canadians, especially Ontarians love to pay taxes." If there is as much Gummint nannyism up there as I suspect, that will drive up the cost of everything.

Well, here in B.C. I hate taxes. A new diesel pickup would cost about $50,000.00 or more. (I buy the fanciest, top model for all the politicians, so I'll be damned if I will buy less for myself) The taxes on this are over $6000.00 and one of the reasons I still have my 1990 truck (bought new) with 412,000 kilometers. I've had one year maintenance at $4500.00 and one at $3000.00. Average is less than $1000.00 Anyone can drive a new one, it only takes MORE MONEY
 

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not2old - that 1990 looks like she's in pretty darn good shape - especially for a 20 year old truck!

I do love diesel myself and wish there were generally new diesel options.

Rumours were that the big 3 were all working on small diesel engines for their 1/2 ton trucks. Did not seem to materialize. Ford has just put out a new gas 5.0L v8 to replace the 5.4L I have and has instead gone the route of a 3.5L V6 gas with a turbo as the fuel economy option.
 
   / Trying to make a difficult decision #80  
Well Canoetrpr. I hope you decide to cut somewhere else then, like less cable , lower internet package, lower the heat, cyber comute 1 day a week. Get rid of half the cows or something. I know the feeling when one month i spend more than the wife and i make and the feeling when i get when its 2 or 3 in a row. I hate it and could not live with it for years till the truck is paid off. In my opinion you are still not looking at this the right way. But after all you asked for advise we advised but you and you only make and have to live with the decision you made.

If you have to pay for that truck for 3 more years at $200 more than you make a month that is $7,200 out of your savings. This is assuming that there will not be an out of warrenty repair on the truck, no repairs on your van, no PM or wear items on either of those vehicles. I will only put that total up to $9,000 for both vehicles which i think is low, considering you may pay $400 for a brake job, and it sounds like you dont wrench on your stuff at all or to indepth so i feel this is very conservative esp. if a shop is performing anything but oil changes. I feel that there is no way you will take an $8-9K loss by getting out of that truck. I have a friend who her and her fiance just sold both their 2 year old trucks to get out of the payments and they had no trouble and they were sold within 24hours each. Hers was a landscapers 2500HD truck with a GN hitch so it was no secret that it towed either.

As far as the dog. I bet the last row of seats in the van folds down flat and i bet that you can get one or 2, depending on how many dogs you have, of those x-large pet crates for $50 from walmart like i have to put my dog in the Toyota. This keeps a wet dog off the carpet and all the wet and mud contained to the plastic cage and off the interior. So no you would not need a special dog trailer, now if you carry like 10 beagles for rabbit hunting or a pack of hounds for fox hunting, you may need a trailer. But just one or 2 or three for show trials or hunting you can get away with 2 plastic crates inside the van.

That said I do not know your finances so yes i have no idea of your savings bonous potential, can and how fast the wife could pull some parttime work if need be. Only you know this and can decide.
 

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