Comparison Tym vs Branson vs ?

[AxleHub]

Agree there are other brands to be considered. I don't know who makes Massey these days (I guess Iseki) but they are certainly a well established brand. I get the impression they may have less market share these days than Kioti or Mahindra but perhaps not. Yanmar of course made (? Still makes), all of JD CUT and SCUT tractors and is a major player in small diesel engines. No issue with Yanmar quality but they don't have much of an independent dealer network last I checked. I'd guess that most engine and transmission parts would be available through JD though.

I'm told Massey has been working with Iseki for 30 years now on many of the scut and cut products in that time.

Unlike many other manufacturers . . Yanmar, kubota, and iseki make much of the tractors . . Not just engines . . and all three have a reputation for being "fussy" and precise about their engineering . . as well as being innovative. Those types of traits keep tractors on the ground and not in the shop.

I can't say about other regions of the country but in the wi/mn areas mahindra and kioti and ls are not names of sales quantity or dealer quantity.

JD has reduced their smaller dealer network in exchange for franchised Tractor Centrals. Those that were smaller longtime JD dealers moved to Yanmar to a great extent or to a lesser extent to New Holland or ??

The real growth in dealers for cut and especially scut product has been the Massey quantity since 2012/2013. Many Kubota dealers also now carry Massey as well as newly created Massey dealers.

The secret expansion is also in TYM by virtue of Cabelas who offer numerous sizes and models AND full service and warranty work on the full Cabelas Land Management line made by TYM. Publicly traded Cabelas has a large quantity of stores converting to also handle tractors in a dozen states.

People made fun of Cabelas when they started selling boats and outboard motors and now they service and outsell most and are one of the larger providers of the well known brands they carry for fishing and pontoon. Will tractors and TYM be the same story? I looked several times at Cabelas and Kubota for years but Massey had a stronger product for my currents needs.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Massey is not very big in my area. I wish there were more Massey dealers here.

 

[paulfun9]

Bucket Spade is best used on a HEAVY DUTY bucket. I recommend HD bucket when I post on Bucket Spade. I have Kubota's optional, heavy LA805 FEL. No damage to the Bucket Spade nor L2296 HD bucket after two years unsparing use.

(Again, note that I spec Bucket Solutions' Bucket Spade. There are several brands of Bucket Spade sold, some of which have had mediocre reviews on T-B-N. Bucket Solutions' Bucket Spade is Superman.)


I used Bucket Spade on standard Kubota bucket on 'B'3300SU for two years, with no bucket damage except scuffed paint. However, I am old and patient. I would not recommend Bucket Spade on a standard bucket to others with less time or less patience. Photos #9, #10.

Big hole and access points are valid.





I can store the Bucket Spade, a Ratchet Rake, a cross-drawbar triangle and a 3-Pt. lawn de-thatcher one one mobile platform dolly between uses.

Again I must point out the difference in your soil being a big concern for many. Those of us who have experience know how big of a difference that is and that even heavy duty buckets can be bent even when the most patient person is using them. I do see a good use for those tools for many folks. You have no need to defend them as my uses may be different from yours just as both our uses may be different from the original poster. We both do however have to tell our experience with them in order for those asking to be able to make an informed decision based on their needs or soil conditions or even personal preference.

 

[whizdbiz2]

Regarding tractor brands, my two cents: JD and Kubota are best established and have biggest dealer network but are overpriced. NH is overpriced with smaller dealer network but long history. Kioti and Mahindra are solid well established second tier brands that offer excellent bang for the buck compared to JD/Kubota. They have fewer dealers but parts network is robust. Branson and LS and TYM also sell very good tractors but are less well established.

Using the Goldilocks principle, I think Kioti and Mahindra are the sweet spot in tractors especially if you don't need the dealer to do 100% of maintenance and repairs.

TYM makes some tractors for Mahindra with Mitsubishi or Daedong engines.

 

[IslandTractor]

TYM makes some tractors for Mahindra with Mitsubishi or Daedong engines.

Just about all of these companies have some outsourced parts or complete tractors from other manufacturers, even competitors. Most famously Yanmar as made smaller JD CUTs for years. Kioti (Daedong) at one time made small tractors for Kubota. Kioti makes (made) near clone versions of their DK and CK tractors for Bobcat, McCormick and I think a couple of other companies. I think Kioti at one point made Cub Cadet tractors too. No doubt there are dozens of such arrangements as the tractor industry is far more "polymorphous perverse" than the automobile industry and the car companies do this to. The only downside for a potential buyer to consider is that a rebadged tractor might be more difficult to get parts for from the selling dealer in the future (Bobcat has stopped buying CUTs from Kioti for example and I believe is only obligated to provide parts for 5 years). If you do buy a rebadged tractor, do your homework and find out who the real manufacturer is and what sort of part support you can be reasonably assured over the next ten to twenty years. Nobody with a Bobcat badged Kioti has any worries as other than paint and decals, the tractors themselves are essentially identical.

 

[AxleHub]

I also believe there are many product associations under various names. Cub cadets actual tractors were actually yanmar product in whole . . Design and manufacturer. Look how many kubota engines went in bobcata for decades.

But I don't always believe 2nd tier prodct is always cheaper. Someone suggested Mahindra was lower priced but I found my massey product was less money and better design and far far more comprehensive dealer network.

I've never seen a TYM dealer but Ive been at several Cabelas (their whole lineup is tym product) and they not only offer full service but they also are an inventorying parts provider for their units.

Many choices when it comes to tractors as well as sizes and designs. I believe like any commodity product . . These next 10 years will see a change in the number of providers as competition will reduce the number.

 

[IslandTractor]

Many choices when it comes to tractors as well as sizes and designs. I believe like any commodity product . . These next 10 years will see a change in the number of providers as competition will reduce the number.

Just wait until China starts producing a good quality tractor line. Clearly they have the knowhow even if currently they are just producing third rate tractors for Northern Tools etc. If they can make an iPhone and put astronauts into space, they can certainly build tractors.

 

[whizdbiz2]

Just wait until China starts producing a good quality tractor line. Clearly they have the knowhow even if currently they are just producing third rate tractors for Northern Tools etc. If they can make an iPhone and put astronauts into space, they can certainly build tractors.

If they get their quality act together and build a decent dealer network they could be formidable.

 

[DK35vince]

Cub cadets actual tractors were actually yanmar product in whole .

Only for a few years.
Prior to that they had several models made by others. Mitsubishi made a lot of their models.
Kioti made the 8354, 8404, and the 8454 models for Cub Cadet in the mid 2000's

 

[AxleHub]

Only for a few years.
Prior to that they had several models made by others. Mitsubishi made a lot of their models.
Kioti made the 8354, 8404, and the 8454 models for Cub Cadet in the mid 2000's

Interesting. I knew cub cadet had many garden tractors and lawn tractors . . but I thought their actual first venture into actual tractors is when they had yanmar making them fir them in 2006. The sc2400 and the ex products.

Just shows how dumb I am . . I didn't even know mitsubishi made diesel engines.