UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil

   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #11  
I've been using Super UDT in our Kubotas front axles without any problems during the first 800 hours of operation so far on our L-3130, only have 80 hours on the L39. Also have used hydraulic fluid in the front axle of my 4WD MF for the last twenty years now without a problem. That adds up to over 3,000 tractor hours with hydraulic fluid in the front axle without any problems, so I'm not worried about it.

I do use the Amsoil 2000 manual transmission oil in the five speed VW TDI gear boxes as those turbodiesels do put out tons of torque thru the trannies.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #12  
I am not saying UDT wil have issues etc. In my eyes, they make seperate fluids for a reason. I do not see UDT in an engine crank case BUT Super UDT can be installed in there.

You can use UDT or Super UDT in front axle since it is not a HD app but I want a gear fluid for gears etc & Kubota states you can put any in there. But if, I think here, if you compare the UDT oils to a gear fluid I think some will do better since that is what they are design for.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( For the price of a 5g bucket of Super UDT, I might eventually switch to it for everthing less the motor. )</font>

Keep in mind that there have been discussions about amsiols product not meeting super udt specs.. I think it was concerning a kubota.. the post is probably here at the end of the page somewhere.

Soundguy
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #14  
<font color="blue">(I say what I did since there are gears in the front diff, not hyd. So I use a gear fluid for gears and a hyd fluid for the hyd system) </font>


That's funny. UDT/UTF is a gear oil, and a HYD oil.. etc.

Keep in mind there are gears in your engine.. and there is no gear oil in there.. right??

Gear driven fuel pumps.. oil pumps.. etc. Kinda blurs the lines for the use of a straight gear oil VS a multi purpose oil.??

Wait a minute... ( placing hands to forehead).. I'm getting a clarivoyant psychic preminition.. its a message from the future... the image is getting clearer.. I can almost make it out... Ok.. I'm predicting another hokey answer from a person currently in this thread, based on all relevant facts having to fit there definition of how the world has to work according to their opinions /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Soundguy

MikePA: Removed political analogy.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #15  
Yes there are gears etc in the engine but the front diff gears would have more loads, stress, shear etc on them in my book. It might not be much but that is what we have gears fluids today and not UDT in the front axle of trucks, equipment ets. They make them for a reason.

Yes, Super UDT can be used in crankcase, gear application and hyd fluid since it is stated in the Super UDT spec as I was told. The normal UDT can not be used in the crank but all other apps yes. That is main delta on why there are two spec’s here, as I was told.

Again, per Kubota you can use either one since the properties of them are close. It is on the same line as hyd fluid and power steering fluid.

But based on my limited design experience I would select a gear fluid for any gear application, engine oil for crankcases/engines and an hyd fluid for hyd application. I would not try and switch fluids for certain areas since that is not design criteria. I can’t use UDT in my engine nor engine oil in my hyd system. They make fluids (different) for a reason.

The basestock will be similar but not the same and the adds will be different in gear fluids since there are design that way. Both parts play a huge role on how the fluid does within its life cycle. Almost the same thing as when people state all oils are the same, wrong.

In the end, you can use what the Kubota manual (guide) states. For those that have other reasons why you are doing other things, just make sure you do the homework first. Just make sure you see both sides of the answer before you do it.

And this is why I don't post much on oil threads on this forum any more. I could post facts till I am blue in the face and does in matter? no, people are going to do what they "feel" is right even if it does not compare to facts. Again, it goes back the old which oil is better. syn or dino. There is a difference but most do not choose to do it for reason not disclosed or the price is a concern.

So to answer this persons quesiton, why not ask all oil related questions to Kubota or the dealer? It seems eveyone will have opinions (good or bad) on this thread and no one knows which is correct or not. Go to the people that designed the unit. That is what I would do since in the end, it is your call as the owner. I usually do some home online and then go to work and as other engineers on what there opinions and why. If it has to do with gears, it is a completely new world. The designs are out of this world.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #16  
I asked my Kubota dealer that same question, he recommended the gear oil. I use super UDT in the tranny and hydro system and Rotella 5W40 synthetic in the engine.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #17  
Mike

I used SUDT in my front end for 2 reasons.

It was listed in the manual and the mechanics at Emerichs have been to many if not all of the Kubota schools and they recommended SUDT.

Now Your choice to use gear lube (also in the manual) seems like a better choice to me I would have gone that way if my dealer didn't recommend other wise.

Hey dude lets wait ten years, you come over here or I'll go over there and we'll tear both of them down and take pictures.

Then we can do something important like go out for beers and dinner with Jim and Kevin.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #18  
Whats interesting Mike is that if you have ever had the oppoutunity to see the bull gears in the rear end of larger Kubotas such as the L30, you would see perhaps agear that more then most would have a significant if not one of the greatest loads in the entire drive train. The entire rear end, differential included are bathed in UDT. As you mention, it is up to the individual as to their choice of oil in the front differntial. I choose UDT primarily because is drains much easier through the quite small drain holes and easily carries away any metal bits and it does not stink like gear oil. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #19  
Brian - Ok, I got the new sneakers on my gsxr. Much better! I have to a ride up....:)

What gets me is that Gary told me NOT to use gear fluid in the front end when I was up there...Now that is weird. Also said I was to replace the air filter and fuel filter at 50 hours, which was again weird. Book does not state it.
 
   / UDT Hyd oil or SAE 80w gear oil #20  
Gear fluid has a cooler color though! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I remeber when Amsoil was blue like a slurpee!
 

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