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boxorox

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can weld halfway decent on thick stuff with my toombstone lincoln but today repairing some fenders by welding in some sheet metal Ikept burning through I tried different settings and rods and am wondering should I get one of those wireflux welders from hf for 79$ are they good for thin stuff.
 
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can weld halfway decent on thick stuff with my toombstone lincoln but today repairing some fenders by welding in some sheet metal Ikept burning through I tried different settings and rods and am wondering should I get one of those wireflux welders from hf for 79$ are they good for thin stuff.

I would not expect a whole lot from it, but I have used a few of them and they are okay.
 
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Pay a little more for an actual DC mig welder. I had 1 of the little 90amp mig welders and it didn't do good on thin either. They're ac only and it's almost impossible to find ac mig wire. Also the drive gears broke the day after the warranty ended.
 
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My limited experience with my Hobart handler 140 is the small wire with gas works better than that the flux core. Better defined as welds look nicer and less splatter. This of course assumes clean shiny metal. Rusty metal might do better with the flux core.
 
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i agree completely with JimRB, medic0648, and Reyer Farms. Get a MIG, not a flux core. I never use my Lincoln stick welder unless I am welding something 3/8" thick or thicker. Buy a name brand like Miller or Hobart. Buy a big bottle you can exchange when empty, and not have to leave it to fill and pick up later. Buy bottle, don't lease or rent it. My friend got 25 year leased bottle in 1980. Guess what.....they wanted it back in 2005. Boy, was he angry at himself. :thumbdown:
 
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thanks guys Ill search cl as my funds are well shall we say small and hidden from my wify.
 
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My limited experience with my Hobart handler 140 is the small wire with gas works better than that the flux core. Better defined as welds look nicer and less splatter. This of course assumes clean shiny metal. Rusty metal might do better with the flux core.

You didn't mention if you do most of your welding indoors or outdoors. All my welding is outdoors. I use a combination of Lincoln AC/DC 225 stick welder and Hobart Handler 140 with flux-core. I am very happy with the flux core on the HH140. The HH140 was my first welder and at the time I didn't have 220V available. The Lincoln 225 came later as a mint condition $175 CL find. As happy as I am with the HH140 I wish I would have had the foresight to get the 210MVP model that runs on 120V and 220V. It would have offered similar portability as the 140 back when I had only 120V but now that I had 220V I could simply swap plugs and have a more powerful welder.

I've considered switching my HH140 over the gas MIG but I am concerned about its effectiveness outdoors.
 
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You didn't mention if you do most of your welding indoors or outdoors. All my welding is outdoors. I use a combination of Lincoln AC/DC 225 stick welder and Hobart Handler 140 with flux-core. I am very happy with the flux core on the HH140. The HH140 was my first welder and at the time I didn't have 220V available. The Lincoln 225 came later as a mint condition $175 CL find. As happy as I am with the HH140 I wish I would have had the foresight to get the 210MVP model that runs on 120V and 220V. It would have offered similar portability as the 140 back when I had only 120V but now that I had 220V I could simply swap plugs and have a more powerful welder.

I've considered switching my HH140 over the gas MIG but I am concerned about its effectiveness outdoors.

You will not like a mig outdoors unless it is about perfect conditions. You can turn the shielding gas up but if it is breezy at all you will have a hard time with porosity. CJ
 
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Im outdoors all the time as my workshop is a big oak. so in that case would fluxwire be better
 
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Put up some moveable shields when using gas out of doors. Works well. If its super breazy you're still scrogged...but light breezes wont be botheing you
 
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Thin stuff, use 1/16" rod and turn down low, whip back and forth to keep from overheating one spot too long. Use1/2 long rod as it easier to control. On SM I always O/A welds as that is what I learned first. It is easier to control the puddle with a 00 or 000 tip. Never have liked the little toy mig welders. Big production machines are great. Gas is very expensive for MIG and TIG.

Ron
 
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notice my screen name...6011 Artist. I was potty trained welding bottoms in old rusted trash dumpsters back in the early 80's. You learn to do your thing for a short run and get out of there before you burn a hole in your work. Like tractor seabee said, whip it back n forth to not create so much heat. I know, you got it going on pretty good, it's hard to quit, but if it's thin, you learn to skip weld. Weld an inch or so and skip an inch, weld another inch and skip. It doesn't take long for it to cool and then you go back and weld your skips. Then if you want a nice pretty weld you wire brush all the slag off (sidegrinder n wire cup) and then run another bead over the top, making sure you're penetrating enough to incorporate all of it into one nice bead. There is definately an art to it but practice is how you learn.

Another trick is to take a hammer and beat off all the flux off of a rod and use that rod as a "filler rod" as you weld. As you weld you put the rod into the hole and weld it in. No, it's not taught in school I don't think but you got to fill the hole up with something. You can also weld on one side slightly and stop, let it cool and weld some more until you fill the hole. Practice...that's the main way to get it right.

Lots of times if welding thin material I make a practice run on something else, scrap or drops, to make sure I'm set up right or simply got my head together before I put the rod on the real deal.

If you think stick welding thin stuff is hard try welding with wire and inert gases in the yard with any slight breeze blowing. It's almost impossible. If you do buy a wire welder, using it outside, I'd suggest using the flux core style, no gases. It has a splatter to it but works better in a breeze.
 
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Two very very posts above from artist and seabee. Nothing like " have to" education to teach a lesson that sticks. I would like to say pun intended but unfortunately I was unaware until I proof read my reply. :) !
 
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boxorox, if you want to learn to weld sheet metal with a stick welder, get you an old 55 gallon metal barrel, preferrably not rusty, and cut some parts out of it to practice on. If you got a thin enough blade to cut it with, you can make some simple slices and then weld them back up. It's best if they do touch though, so removing them is best. Practice. Once you get that barrel mastered, then go fix your fenders.

I looked at your thread where you mounted the hitch to the front of your tractor. I see your welds look like "laying dimes". Like you took a roll of dimes out of their wrapper and layed them down, they lean but go in equal increments. When I first started welding a welder taught me how to "lay dimes" and I taught myself from there. You got the dime laying going on, the basic circle action of the rod. You just need to learn about materials and heat ranges.

You have a good general purpose stick welder. Those old lincoln tombstones are hard to beat for a basic welder. I have an old Marquette, about 35 yrs old, I uncrated it when it was new. Another good old basic welder. I basically weld at 90 degrees for 1/4 inch material using a 1/8 rod. I adjust my heat up or down as needed for the thickness material I am using and size rod I am using. I do a lot with 6011 rods, if welding mild steel. You've got it going on you just need a lil practice. Get you that barrel and master the thin stuff. You can do it, practice.

If using a 1/8 6011 rod, turn your heat down to 60 degrees. The lower the heat the more your rod will want to stick but 60 would be best. The more you hold your rod away from your work, the more heat you create. Keep your rod as close to the work without it sticking. And practice. You'll burn some holes, but you got a whole barrel to burn holes in. You'll learn how far you can go before you do burn a hole and you'll get better. Don't try to make a long solid weld, do an inch or so and get out of there, let it cool for 30 seconds or so and go for it again.

If you got a 1/16 rod it would be better but I do most of mine with 1/8.

One night a buddy and I were drinking a few and one of us asked the question, IF we had to make a small repair and ran out of rods could we use a coathanger to weld thin material using a stick welder. He was a professional welder, 2nd generation welding shop owner. He said he didn't know. So we got a coathanger and cut us a rod length out of it and proceded to weld up two barrel pieces from a scrap barrel. It worked, not as good as welding rods, but it did make a strong weld that would have worked if needed. But it also took someone that knew how to weld thin material to do it.
 
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thanks fr the compliment my dad tought me in the back yard . I love this forum as YOU all allready tought me a lot every day I go back and read a couple pages of build it yourself and notice there are some real tallented mechanics/welders/machinist/fabricaters on this forum.thanks artist and all others I will try 6011 rods and an old drum. when the sun comes out I will see what size rods I have and post them and maybe you can tell me what temp for thin stuff with those rods thank you for the assistance.
 
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great option for mig welding outside is to use flux core with CO2 shielding gas very little splatter when its not windy. great penetration. and straight CO2 isn't as spendy as tri-mix or 80/20.
 

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