Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear

   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #31  
Del,
Hercules may have said that. Archimedes, though, was into levers and in illustration of the lever principle reportedly said "Give me a place to stand and I will move the world". /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Think what you could do with infinite traction.
Hope you had a good Fourth.
Ed
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #32  
Paul,
I cut about 2.5 ac. that are all hills in different degrees of slopes. Its really a bowl. Any way what I do is use a short piece of chain as my top link. This keeps the top from binding when going up or down the hills. Hope this helps.

Von
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear
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#33  
SAME DAMN THING HAPPENED AGAIN!!!! This time I was mowing in reverse up a steep slope (est. 25 degrees), and when I got to the top the mower settled onto a flat area, and the linkage jackknifed again. If you think about it, this is the same situation that caused the first problem - tractor on a steep slope, mower on level ground but higher than the tractor. This time I was smart enough to get off the tractor while all 4 wheels were on the ground, but the parking brake wouldn't hold the tractor on the slope so I just watched her go down the hill. Half way down she got onto two wheels (left side again) and just continued on down to the bottom, no harm done but WHAT IF I DIDN'T NOTICE THE LINKAGE JAM!!!. I think I am going to take Vons advice and use a link of chain for the toplink from now on.
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #34  
I think that two times would be more than I could stand. You probably can't trade or switch tractors but have you considered getting a Steiner or Ventrac? They will not do everything that a small 4wd compact tractor will do, but the sure will mow there nothing else can go. In many situations, they will actually mow faster that a compact 4wd. Just a thought.
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #35  
PaulB, I keep trying to understand all this and just how that can happen. On the swivel or swinging part of the mower, will it swing back and forth freely when the top link is not hooked up? I'm wondering if it's too tight at the swivel point. As the mower drops lower, it should pull straight against the top link until it reaches it limit and any farther should pick up the mower, but as the back of the mower touches on the ground and starts to rise, just the weight of that swivel and the top link should let the swivel fall instead of jamming.

Bird
 
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#36  
Bird - on my mower the top link attatches to a U shaped piece of metal, which is free to pivot in a vertical plane as the mower raises and lowers. This U bracket is attatched to the lift arms of the mower itself. When the mower is on the ground, the open part of the U is facing the sky. As the mower is lifted to mowing height, the open part of the U bracket moves forward and down (counterclockswise if you are observing from the left side of the tractor). The normal arc of rotation of this bracket is therefore from the 12 oclock position when the mower is on the ground, to about the 7 oclock position, again, assuming you are standing on the left side of the tractor. This is therefore about 150 degrees of arc. When the mower raises too high, as when I am going up a steep hill backward, the bracket can swing past a straight line with the toplink, and past a 180 degree line if you were to draw a line along the toplink and extend it on to the U bracket. That is, the U bracket attempts to swing to the 6 oclock position. After that point, if I try to lower the mower all that happens is the U bracket tries to continue DOWN AND BACKWARDS (counterclockwise from the left side of the tractor) rather than the normal return arc of upwards and forward (clockwise from the left) as I lower the mower. That is, it tries to swing to the 5 oclock position, but can't because the lift arms are in the way. If I could draw a picture it would be crystal clear, but the problem as I see it is that the mechanics prevent the normal "counterclockwise rotation as the mower raises and clockwise rotation as the mower lowers" pattern because the line between the toplink and the U bracket goes past 180 degrees. Until I hit that 180 degree point, the linkage works beautifully.
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #37  
PaulB, it sounds like the same kind of "flex link" my finish mower has. When the mower is not attached to the tractor, the open end of the "U" swings freely down to point at the 6 o'clock position. In other words, it's hinged on the mower closer to the closed end of the "U". And when you hook it up to the tractor, the end of the tractor's top link fits into the open end of the "U" with the pin through both the "U" and the top link swivel. And the proper position when hooked up and sitting level is for the open end of the "U" to point at the 7 o'clock position (in other words tilted slightly forward from the straight down position); it never points up. Under no circumstances will the open end of the "U" ever point higher than the 9 o'clock position.

Bird
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear
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#38  
Bird - I can make mine operate just as you describe if I shorten my top link, but if I do then I reach the "180 degree point of no return" almost every bump I hit. I think my mower needs to be set with the open part of the U bracket facing 12 oclock so I have some range of motion before it reaches the limits of its travel. On yours, if the neutral position is at 7 oclock, what happens when you raise the mower? Doesnt the flex link attempt to rotate counterclockwise to the 5 oclock poition? Maybe on yours it is free to rotate 360 degrees? On mine, it can not rotate counterclockwise past 6 oclock.
 
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#39  
Richard - if all I had to do was mow I would have a Steiner, but right now I have a manure spreader, rear blade, York rake, rotary mower, 3 point mounted watering system for the pasture - all of which require the 3 point and/or pto, so switching class of tractor is not a possibility, I have considered going to a BX, as it is reported to be lower to the ground and therefore I would think more stable. Any BX owners care to comment on the relative stability on hills of their machine vs, my B1700? Art from Whites Tractor, how much of a hit would I take on my tractor in trade???
 
   / Up on 2 wheels, need new underwear #40  
PaulB, yes, my flex link is free to rotate 360 degrees; I don't understand why yours will not. If you pick up the mower with the 3-point hitch, it will swing clockwise to the 8 or 9 o'clock position, and if the back of the mower is raised (or the rear of the tractor is low) it will swing counterclockwise to the 4 or 5 o'clock position. Sure wish I could see what you've got.

Bird
 

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