Used the new hoe...

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 5, 2004

Will I finally got a chance to use my new 46BH. Dug out six stumps with it and I must say it worked great /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif I know I won't be digging any basements with it but for what I need to do it is just right. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mark_in_NH · Mar 5, 2004

( Dug out six stumps with it )
And the pictures are where ???????????????????????? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cliff_Johns · Mar 5, 2004

Glad you're enjoying the BH. Pictures would be good.

So when you bought the 46BH did you have to buy anything else
with it, or does the BH come with all necessary pieces. I gather
it requires Power Beyond, but I can't figure out if that is part of
the list price or not.

Cliff

cowboydoc · Mar 5, 2004

Power Beyone is not included in the price. Everything else needed is included. At least it was when I bought my 48 backhoe.

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 5, 2004

We need to get a digital camera...soon I hope... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 5, 2004

Power Beyond, BH, frame and a taller loop for the ROPS is what is listed on bill of sale.

keeney · Mar 5, 2004

JDGreen,

I am considering the 46 backhoe for my JD 4100.

The JD website appears to imply that the sub-frame is included in the base price, but you have to select the right model. Was this the case?

Mind sharing what you paid?

Did you stick with the default 9" bucket, or go larger?

Is the taller ROPs really needed - would you be hitting your head if you didn't have it?

Does it move fast enough with just the power-beyond feeding it? I see from your profile that you have a 4115. I am concerned that the lower hydraulic flow on my 4100 would make the backhoe a bit sluggish, so I am hoping you will say it is plenty fast on your 4115.

- Rick

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 6, 2004

Rick,
The way my invoice was set up the frame was included as part of the hoe. I paid $5400 for everything. I got the 9" that is included and also bought a 13" bucket. For my height (6'1")I think I would have hit my head on the old ROPS. As for speed of operation it worked plenty fast for me. I have never operated a hoe before so maybe my opinion will change as I gain experiance. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cliff_Johns · Mar 7, 2004

I hope you don't mind, but I have 1 other question.
How long is your 4110 with the 410 FEL and the 46BH attached?
That is, how much building space does it require?

None of the dealers in my area (there are three within
25 miles) have a 46 (or even a 47 or 48) on the lot, so
it's had to get an idea about this BH. I appreciate your
assesment and comments.

Thanks,
Cliff

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 7, 2004

Cliff,
I use a shed that is 12' x 20'. In order to close the doors I swing the boom over to one side. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Cliff_Johns · Mar 7, 2004

( Cliff,
I use a shed that is 12' x 20'. In order to close the doors I swing the boom over to one side. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif )

Wow, the tractor itself is less than 9 feet. So between
the FEL and the BH, you've more than doubled the length!
Puts things in perspective. So if you want room to take off
the BH and leave it in the shed, you would need more like
24 feet of space? Longer than I'd planned. Thanks for
the information.

Which leads me to the next question, have you tried to
take the BH off yet? Does it appear to be fairly easy?

Cliff

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 7, 2004

Cliff,
I do have about a foot or so of space in front of the tractor when it is in the shed. You are right though there is no way I would have room for the hoe (off the tractor) and the tractor in the shed at the same time. I will check and see if I can get the doors closed (without moving the boom to one side) if I move some stuff around, I will let you know.

timb · Mar 8, 2004

Anyone have a decent overall length estimate for a 4710/460/48 combo parked? I was guessing around 19-20 feet. Could be I've underestimated a tad if Bill is close to 20' with his 4115/410/46! My 'bay' is just 16' deep now - I'm trying to figure out how far I'd have to extend it to drop the hoe in the back and still have room to park a 4710/460.

Tim

JDGREEN4ME · Mar 8, 2004

Guys,
Please don't Shoot me /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif My shed is only 16' long NOT 20' /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I wanted to get a 12'x20' but was not allowed due to local ordinances. My 4115/410/46 set-up is around 15' tip to tail. Again I am VERY sorry /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

timb · Mar 8, 2004

Phew! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I figure I can do a bump-out of 4 or 5 feet on my 16' bay but I didn't want to go farther than that with this shed.

Thanks for the update!

Now - cowboydoc or anyone - what is the end-to-end of a large frame JD/FEL/BH?

Tim

Cliff_Johns · Mar 8, 2004

( Guys,
Please don't Shoot me /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif My shed is only 16' long NOT 20' /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif I wanted to get a 12'x20' but was not allowed due to local ordinances. My 4115/410/46 set-up is around 15' tip to tail. Again I am VERY sorry /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif )

Ahhh. Big sigh of relief. Thank you for the info. So, based on
that, I'm thinking a 18 or 20' garage should be deep enough,
yes?

I gather you haven't tried taking the hoe off and putting it
back on again -- not something you'd want to do for fun, I
suppose.

Keep us up to date on your adventures with your hoe. (OK,
that's a wierd sentence out of context.)

Thanks so much for the help,
Cliff

centex · Mar 10, 2004

you are pretty close depending on how you position the loader bucket. I can get the whole combination under the roof of a 20' carport but I transport it on a 16' trailer with the loader bucket curled down and the BH overhanging the rear of the trailer by a couple of feet. Actually, I could get less overhang if I moved the the tractor forward but then I would have too much tongue weight.

timb · Mar 11, 2004

I wonder if I could fit the whole (well most of it anyway) TLB in the 16' bay temporarily if I swing the hoe ALL the way over to the side as far as possible and drop the bucket off of the loader?

I'm kind of in a catch-22. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif To do a proper job of extending the bay - I really need to do some serious foundation and/or cribbing prep. (This barn is on a slope, front-to-back. The bay is a pole-style extension on the main barn.) I'm also considering widening the bay from 10' to 12' while I'm at it as eventually most of the wood/siding on this shed needs replaced anyway. The job would be SO much easier if I already had the hoe. But I wanted to make sure I have an "under roof" home for the tractor before I bought it. For sure I don't want to have to drop off the hoe every night just to store the tractor in the bay! (Not sure where I'd put it anyway) But dropping the FEL bucket might not be too bad just to tuck it in at night until I get the bay rebuilt.

To make it more frustrating - I'd really like to get the tractor this year for other uses - but the bay project has to wait until next year. This year is spoken for with house remodeling!

And Bill... a thousand pardons for just about hijacking your post! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Tim

centex · Mar 11, 2004

I think you could get it all under cover. The biggest issue you might have is the height of the ROPS. They put a tall ROPS on when they sell a BH and it is about 9"+ in height so it may not fit. The tall ROPS folds but it would be a royal pain to lower it every day and if you are at all like me you would forget sooner or later. I would not worry too much about getting it all under cover anyway. I often leave the BH and loader outside like now since I have been tilling fields for planting grass and have had only a disk attached to the tractor for the last couple of weeks. I usually keep the loader and BH on the tractor but even then the seat on the BH is starting to deteriate. The seat on the BH has a really cheap plastic cover that would not last long no matter what you did to protect it. The paint on the BH is good and the cylinder rods are chrome plated so not much harm will come to it if you leave it exposed. The hoses are about the cheapest things they could find so they will not last long anyway. I have had to replace half of the hoses this year and they are less than 2 years old. I had a hydraulic shop build new hoses and they should last much longer than the cheap junk JD uses on the BH's.