Using Category 1 and 2 Equipment With the Same Quick Hitch

[bcp]

Other options:

You could modify the cat 1 implements to clevis mounts so they had two hitch points:




Or change the single mount to use a dual category pin:



Bruce

 

[ovrszd]

After viewing the Pat's Quick attach I think they will be fine as I've be using a Harbor Freight(China made) quick hitch on a 6 ft tiller and JD 709 cutter for several years with no problems. I also used HF QH on a Howse 8 ft cutter before I bought the JD 709.

Yeah, I'm familiar with Pat's having owned a CAT I set. My concern is the lateral stress put on by the heavy cutter with it's COG at least 4' behind the pins. If Pat's has a weakness it would be the small bolts used to hold each one straight on the 3pt arm. Those same small bolts would have that lateral stress applied to them.

 

[ovrszd]

Other options:

You could modify the cat 1 implements to clevis mounts so they had two hitch points:

View attachment 361085


Bruce

Now we're talking. This the perfect fix/modification.

I modified two CAT I attachments to fit CAT II QH using that method. Works great. I can use them with my CAT II tractor and my Brother can use them with his CAT I tractor. Both of us using QH's.

 

[gwdixon]

Yeah, I'm familiar with Pat's having owned a CAT I set. My concern is the lateral stress put on by the heavy cutter with it's COG at least 4' behind the pins. If Pat's has a weakness it would be the small bolts used to hold each one straight on the 3pt arm. Those same small bolts would have that lateral stress applied to them.

That is why the Pat's inserts are especially nice. No bolts, no clamps, none of the other adjustment stuff (shims for example). The inserts just slide into place where the telescoping balls were mounted and the existing OEM pin is used to secure them with the same geometry as the original balls. No telescoping ball mounts...SOL.

 

[Tx Jim]

Now we're talking. This the perfect fix/modification.

I modified two CAT I attachments to fit CAT II QH using that method. Works great. I can use them with my CAT II tractor and my Brother can use them with his CAT I tractor. Both of us using QH's.

ovrszd & bcp
Modifying the implement to accept Cat l & Cat ll was not in the thread title. I will refresh your memory on the title of this thread """Re: Using Category 1 and 2 Equipment With the Same Quick Hitch""".
These Cat l/Cat ll pins in your photo will not transform a true Cat l implement into a Cat ll without the aid of a welder
Anything can be ACCOMPLISHED with a welder/cutting torch and a very experienced operator!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ovrszd]

gwdixon, that's slick. Didn't know they offered those. That definitely solves that problem!!!


TxJim, that's what we are saying, modify the attachment with clevis brackets and you can pick it up with either kind of QH. And the modification can be done on a factory CAT I attachment or a factory CAT II attachment. Problem solved without any kind of hack job.

Modify the attachment with the pins, CAT I turned in, CAT II turned out and you get the same result.

It's just stronger to create clevis brackets.

 

[Kaliburz]

Pat has an interesting system for sure. Not sure how much weight it could carry, as stated those centering bolts. Reminds me of the LaForge arm ends.
http://www.fronthitch.com/v3/images/[summer13]10.jpg
But they use some ball adapter.....


If I had a newer JD 5000N series w/ the L shaped lift arms, in theory, I could just "build" a new slider and weld the Pat Cat 2 System on new material. The 5000N L shaped arms would keep the hooks on Pat's parallel when going from cat 1 to 2. On my 2640 (older style arms), a permanent mounted system would not work since if you set it up for cat 1 (ie welded) and then moved them out for cat 2, the hooks would not be at the right angle (parallel to the implement hitch). But he does have an interesting product. I'm afraid I'd break it w/ what I do.....

 

[Tx Jim]

gwdixon, that's slick. Didn't know they offered those. That definitely solves that problem!!!


TxJim, that's what we are saying, modify the attachment with clevis brackets and you can pick it up with either kind of QH. And the modification can be done on a factory CAT I attachment or a factory CAT II attachment. Problem solved without any kind of hack job.

Modify the attachment with the pins, CAT I turned in, CAT II turned out and you get the same result.

It's just stronger to create clevis brackets.

I'm just trying to get the OP's original question answered CLEARLY.
I thought the question was "will a Cat l QH fit both Cat l & Cat ll implements" or "will a Cat ll QH fit both Cat l & Cat ll implements" not can a QH be modified to fit both Cat l & Cat ll. Normal Cat l hitch pin points are 26" apart & Cat ll hitch pin points are 32" apart. Installing the pins in the photo is not a simple bolt in on Cat l implements as the Cat l ends will be TOO CLOSE together for a QH IE Cat l pins will be a lot less than 26" apart.

 

[ovrszd]

Yeah, I get you. Guess this discussion is over then.

 

[Tx Jim]

I wasn't trying to imply that this thread should end but rather I was trying to keep it on track. As I previously stated anything can be altered with a cutting torch,welder & qualified operator.

 

[bcp]

If the thread stayed entirely and precisely on track, It should have ended at the second post, with a simple "no."

All the rest of the posts have been trying to help the OP do what he wants to do.

Bruce

 

[Tx Jim]

If the thread stayed entirely and precisely on track, It should have ended at the second post, with a simple "no."

All the rest of the posts have been trying to help the OP do what he wants to do.

Bruce

OK that's correct but to a novice tractor owner and some not so novice owners some of the answers were confusing & contradictory.

 

[ovrszd]

OK that's correct but to a novice tractor owner and some not so novice owners some of the answers were confusing & contradictory.

That's common in a varied discussion. Each of us approach things from a different angle. To me, there's some very good information in this thread and very good points made by several posters.

 

[Tx Jim]

Richard
I totally agree and I suppose that's why this is called a "Discussion Forum". My point is I wanted the OP to understand that one can't attach a Cat ll QH to a Cat l implement without some serious modifications which I think has be established. It's a beautiful,sunny 72 degree day down here in the Tx desert,how's the weather in Missouri?
Jim

 

[ovrszd]

It's a beautiful,sunny 72 degree day down here in the Tx desert,how's the weather in Missouri?
Jim

Jim,

Just when we're getting along you had to go there!!!!

Actually we reached 47 today. First time we've seen that in quite a while. We have a wind blown/drifted 4" of snow on the ground. Bare spots between the drifts. Frost waist deep. It's been a long Winter......

 

[Tx Jim]

Aw I was just poking a little fun to liven up the "discussion". I don't understand how you Northerner's can handle all the cold weather. Not me I'll dodge the twisters!!

 

[ovrszd]

We get our revenge when you are in the 100's day after day and we aren't.

 

[Tx Jim]

We get our revenge when you are in the 100's day after day and we aren't.

The 100 degree days are OK as long as the AC is working on the tractors, PU truck & barn. It's the humidity I hate.

 

[gwdixon]

The 100 degree days are OK as long as the AC is working on the tractors, PU truck & barn. It's the humidity I hate.

Hey! Just move to California. Be sure to leave your guns, self-esteem, pride, independence, man-card, and dignity behind. Not allowed here. Oh, be sure to bring plenty of money and be prepared to give it away for the pols to squander.

 

[ovrszd]

Hey! Just move to California. Be sure to leave your guns, self-esteem, pride, independence, man-card, and dignity behind. Not allowed here. Oh, be sure to bring plenty of money and be prepared to give it away for the pols to squander.

I don't care who you are,,,, that's funny!!!! Sad,,,,,, but funny.