Justaplain
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dON't forget Deans liberal marriage laws? [if you call it a plus]
the old curmudgeon
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Vermont?
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Egon
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Have you considered Northern Saskatewan. Land is inexpensive and if you want solitude thats avalable to. Lots of lakes but no Mountains.
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Well, employment would be a problem. Generally the jobs (and the voting block) center around the Burlington area, and most out of staters tend to settle there. I think the fact that Chittenden County is the most populous county (as Chittenden County votes, so votes the state), the most liberal by far, has the most personal wealth, and is populated these days in the majority by people from away...has a lot to do with the "us vs them" attitude. Civil union was a classic example -- it passed in the greater Burlington area and virtually nowhere else, but that was enough to make it law. But Burlington is one of the nicest cities I've been to if city living is what you want.
Your criteria (low development pressure) would rule that area out, though, as well as the southern counties and the interstate corridors -- all of which are becoming bedroom communities for long distance commuters.
As others have said, the Northeast Kingdom is feeling the least pressure from developers. And the natives really don't bite as long as you don't try to bring Boston/New York/Baltimore with you. I'm a California transplant. At first the locals stayed away. But when they learned I was a Marine, could shoot well, could handle a chainsaw, and didn't want to change a thing they warmed right up to me and now count me as a friend.
It's a great life up here on my hill with my wife, pets, and livestock. At certain times of the year the tourist pressure gets pretty hard to take (why must people park in the middle of the road, for instance, while taking pictures?), but get them out of their cars and most folks are downright decent. I think living in a big city folks tend to drive more aggressively than those in the country, and that rubs at times. We meet some great people from all over the world walking down our road, though, and have penfriends now in sixteen different countries that were met right here on our hill.
Good farmland is getting pretty hard to find, however. The best is in the valleys, and of course the valleys are the first to be developed. Hillside farms like ours grow mostly rocks, and as a result there are none of the large scale farms you see in upstate NY.
Heck, it's too hard to explain all this in a post. Why don't you just come up for a visit some weekend?
Pete
Your criteria (low development pressure) would rule that area out, though, as well as the southern counties and the interstate corridors -- all of which are becoming bedroom communities for long distance commuters.
As others have said, the Northeast Kingdom is feeling the least pressure from developers. And the natives really don't bite as long as you don't try to bring Boston/New York/Baltimore with you. I'm a California transplant. At first the locals stayed away. But when they learned I was a Marine, could shoot well, could handle a chainsaw, and didn't want to change a thing they warmed right up to me and now count me as a friend.
It's a great life up here on my hill with my wife, pets, and livestock. At certain times of the year the tourist pressure gets pretty hard to take (why must people park in the middle of the road, for instance, while taking pictures?), but get them out of their cars and most folks are downright decent. I think living in a big city folks tend to drive more aggressively than those in the country, and that rubs at times. We meet some great people from all over the world walking down our road, though, and have penfriends now in sixteen different countries that were met right here on our hill.
Good farmland is getting pretty hard to find, however. The best is in the valleys, and of course the valleys are the first to be developed. Hillside farms like ours grow mostly rocks, and as a result there are none of the large scale farms you see in upstate NY.
Heck, it's too hard to explain all this in a post. Why don't you just come up for a visit some weekend?
Pete
ejb,
We have a camp up on Ticklenaked Pond (just love that name) in Ryegate Vermont. We used the following web site as a major tool for our reale estate search.
Northern New England Real Estate Network
It was a great resource. Kept up to date and most listings have pictures. You can search by state, city, land or residential.
One word of caution. VT realtors seem to be more optimistic than I was. I usually explained that we were looking for a summer place with the aim to retire there eventually. I also told them I was from SE NH and was 2 to 3 hours away. So I wanted to be sure the property was worth the trip up. One trip we had to stop our 4x4 and walk the last mile up a mountain. The cabin was held to the side of the mountain with chains and come alongs wrapped around trees. Not exactly retirement qaulity. Next property on that same trip was on a protected swamp (no more building allowed) with a run down shack. So make sure you ask ponted questions.
Phil
We have a camp up on Ticklenaked Pond (just love that name) in Ryegate Vermont. We used the following web site as a major tool for our reale estate search.
Northern New England Real Estate Network
It was a great resource. Kept up to date and most listings have pictures. You can search by state, city, land or residential.
One word of caution. VT realtors seem to be more optimistic than I was. I usually explained that we were looking for a summer place with the aim to retire there eventually. I also told them I was from SE NH and was 2 to 3 hours away. So I wanted to be sure the property was worth the trip up. One trip we had to stop our 4x4 and walk the last mile up a mountain. The cabin was held to the side of the mountain with chains and come alongs wrapped around trees. Not exactly retirement qaulity. Next property on that same trip was on a protected swamp (no more building allowed) with a run down shack. So make sure you ask ponted questions.
Phil
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One plus for Vermont, Larry,Daryl and Daryl live there. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks all for the help with VT.
Does sound like the father north you go, the more land you can get for less money...unfortunately it seems, it is probably that much colder, right? I can talk my wife into a lot of things, but a significant drop in average temperature is probably not one of them... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Curious about the tax situation, someone mentioned that the taxes were "high"...curious what that means?(for some reason I had the im,pression that taxes were *low* in VT) High property taxes? high income taxes? What is the state income tax tax rate (mass is about 5-6%), and a typical property tax is just under 2% of assessed value, so a $400K house for example would have property taxes around $8k (varies by town).
Your soil situation sounds like mine exactly...I don't live in the CT river valley were there are miles and miles of rich soil with nary a stone to be found...my place is a "hillside" farm, extremly rocky and very poor clay soil...it makes sense that any place where the soil is good, its all that more likely that housing developments are going to be the main crop. Guess if I had to pick between houses and rocks, I'd take the rocks...I should count my blessings.
A move to vermont, if it happens at all, would probably take me 2-3 years at least, so at this point, just in the info gathering stage...but I appreciate all the helpful information.
Does sound like the father north you go, the more land you can get for less money...unfortunately it seems, it is probably that much colder, right? I can talk my wife into a lot of things, but a significant drop in average temperature is probably not one of them... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Curious about the tax situation, someone mentioned that the taxes were "high"...curious what that means?(for some reason I had the im,pression that taxes were *low* in VT) High property taxes? high income taxes? What is the state income tax tax rate (mass is about 5-6%), and a typical property tax is just under 2% of assessed value, so a $400K house for example would have property taxes around $8k (varies by town).
Your soil situation sounds like mine exactly...I don't live in the CT river valley were there are miles and miles of rich soil with nary a stone to be found...my place is a "hillside" farm, extremly rocky and very poor clay soil...it makes sense that any place where the soil is good, its all that more likely that housing developments are going to be the main crop. Guess if I had to pick between houses and rocks, I'd take the rocks...I should count my blessings.
A move to vermont, if it happens at all, would probably take me 2-3 years at least, so at this point, just in the info gathering stage...but I appreciate all the helpful information.
OverlyRun
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Youare
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Why don't you check out the realestate just across the river in the land of the White Mountians. There is no sales tax, yet and land taxes are not much different than what Vermont's taxes are approaching. New Hampshire does not have Act 250 which can be a real pain should you what a building permit.
I work in the southeast corner of Vermont and I compare the difference between there and southwestern New Hampshire where I live
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Both states are great places to live and would not be too much different than the Bershires as far as the land goes.
Good luck.
Randy
I work in the southeast corner of Vermont and I compare the difference between there and southwestern New Hampshire where I live
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Both states are great places to live and would not be too much different than the Bershires as far as the land goes.
Good luck.
Randy
