Vinyl Fences

   / Vinyl Fences #11  
Have some friends who have some vinyl fencing, and I think that the hot wire should be considered mandatory. The stuff is not very sturdy. I am putting in about 4500' of pipe and sucker rod fence starting next week, and I think that the materials are running around $2.25 per foot. This is using 2 3/8" .190 wall pipe for the posts and top rail and then 4 rails of 7/8" sucker rod. This price also includes welding rod, (a bunch of it), and cement for the posts (~500 posts). Pipe might not be the prettiest fence, but it sure does hold up well. Another nice thing about pipe is no hot wire to worry about with the kids, and I can climb the fence if I want / need to.
 
   / Vinyl Fences #12  
Actually I really like pipe fence, particularly if all the rails are also made from pipe. 4500' of 3-4 rail pipe would really be expensive though. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif They look really good when kept with a good coat of paint. However, that's the problem. They do have to be painted from time to time. There is a place on 69 between Leonard and Celeste (I think) that has a pipe fence made of really large pipe. That guy must have more money than he knows what to do with, or has a good source for pipe.
 
   / Vinyl Fences #13  
The best price on pipe I have found is here:

Texas Tubular Products 903-639-2511
Hwy 250
Hughes Springs, TX 75656

They have new reject drill stem 2 3/8" .190 wall in random ~30' lengths for $0.74 per foot. This price is actually better than many people sell the same pipe for used. They also deliver with a minimum delivery charge of $450. With pipe priced like this, you could likely build pipe fence for about the same or even less than vinyl. You do have to paint it (I guess you could just leave it bare and let it rust), but for me, that is a small price to pay for the peace of mind pipe fence buys me.
 
   / Vinyl Fences #14  
Thanks Ron. I saved that address for when I get ready. As far as sucker rod. I have seen some fences where the sucker rod was straight as an arrow and others where it was sagging. Maybe from kids climbing on the fence. Is there a secret to using sucker rod and keeping it straight?
 
   / Vinyl Fences #15  
I think the difference is in the size of the sucker rod. We have some that is 1/2 or 5/8 that is sagging (10 ft. spacing between the posts). The 3/4 and 1 inch does not sag. Most folks around here don't use the 2 3/8 for posts, however. we use 2 7/8 for posts and use 2 3/8 for top rails..
 
   / Vinyl Fences #16  
I installed a two rail fence a few years back and really like it. However, recently, I had to make changes to the fence due to putting in a side walk. My fil pulled out one of the posts by hand before I had a change to talk to him. 40 lbs of concrete still in the ground, post slid out of it. Well, that surprised me. Pulled out three posts and all slid out. To make it even worse, as I was studing the situation, wife finds one of the line posts actually sunk about one inch from level. Anyone ever see this. No mention of this when I bought the fence. I installed it myself. Thanks...

Ps... the fence is for looks only, won't keep any animals in or out.
 
   / Vinyl Fences #17  
I recall, hopefully correctly, the vinyl fence instructions mention driving two re-bars horizontally (at 90 degrees to each other) through the bottom of the posts in order to lock the post to the concrete.
 
   / Vinyl Fences #18  
Re: welding succor rod

Wow, ya'll ain't too far from me. I'm over here in wide awake Wylie.

I've had great luck welding succor rod and having it stay straight.

The problem is most folks start at the top and weld down. That means the last place to cool off and shrink, it just does that, the welds, is the bottom. So you have the weld pulling the rod down.

Another thing folks do is they cut the rod too long so it's a tight fit. Bad, again, sag, ugly.

What I do is I cut the rod short so it's an eighth of an inch at least short at each post. I start my pass at the bottom and work it up. It's a better weld and the pull of the weld is up which is usually compensated for by gravity working on pulling everything down.

I never weld succor rod to the face of the post. It just doesn't hold over time. It looks bad and unprofessional also.

I've got eight little do thingys bent and welded up. That way I can have someone cutting and placing the rods in place ahead of me as I go. Or if I'm by myself I can cut out four sections at a time. When they're welded up I can then set up the next four.

They're quarter inch cold rolled rods with the top shaped like a coat hanger hook. That fits over the top rail. Since I weld between the posts it has to be shaped like a coat hanger versus being shaped like a cane to help keep the rods in line with the center of the posts. Then I have pieces welded to that main piece to space out the succor rods evenly. Those pieces are welded with just a little up angle to them. That keeps the rod in place without grabbing it too tightly.

If you ever get over to Community High School in Nevada you can see a pipe and rod fence that I did that's all galvanized. It's maintenance free and pretty in a dusty silver kind of way.

A way to cut your costs for four or five rail pipe fence is to do what I've done many times.

I like galvanized. It's tuff for some to weld but then that's life.

So the strongest part of the fence should be the posts and the top rail. Those I use schedule forty. But the rails I come back with in sixteen gauge. It looks the same and if welded up properly it dents and doesn't bend if hit.

Again, most folks don't like welding galvanized and they can't weld sixteen gauge with a stick out in the field to begin with.

But it makes a great fence that lives a long long time.

If ya'll are in the blackland you might keep in mind a little secret I have for drilling posts. I keep a hundred gallon propylene tank full of water on top of the tractor. It gives me about eight hundred pounds extra down pressure and when that clay starts to gum things up about a quart of water shot into the hole makes it easier on the equipment and operator let me tell you. You won't believe what a little water will do.

I figured that out one day in Parker Texas. I was using my Little Beaver Hydraulic auger drilling twelve inch holes. At about two feet it would just bog up something fierce. Each hole was a nightmare.

As I stood there cussing I thought I wished there was a way to either teflon the flights or WD40 the auger. Then it hit me. When that [censored] clay is wet you can't hardly stand up on it. So I poured a little water on it and I haven't looked back since.

Don't use too much water tho, you'll end up covered head to toe and the excess sitting in your hole just delighting in causing you future heartache.
 

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