Visit from the President

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<font color=red>"You are wrong in your assumption that farmers want bigger govt."</font color=red>

Richard

I am on your side in that I do not think farmers want more government, at least in theory. BUT, I have attended polictical rallies and talked to "conservative" politicians running for statewide rallies. While I am sure most farmers would not vote for expansion of government in other areas, they are VERY interested in how new legislation affects their government subsidies. The Demos had one very effective weapon to counter the "contract with America". When tax reductions and smaller government became popular, the Demos countered with threats that the revolution would reduce or end the educational loan program. Boy, did this take the wind out of the sails of the middle class. In my opinion, that tactic was very effective in ending the Republican revolution in the house.

You and I know those subsidies tie the farmers to governement like an adict to his pusher.

You mentioned ending the subsidies and I agree. But its quite easy to simply say "let the chips fall where they may" I am afraid the fall out of those chips would destroy most family farmers.

What the Ag companies spend spreading around bribes, oops I meant campaign contributions, around D.C. would make Enron seem like a peon.

Never in history has a society peacefully reduced entitlements to its population peacefully and I am afraid doing so in the U.S.A. will be hard-pressed to do so.

The only hope would be a structured program of perhaps a decade to end the subsidies. I would take great political will and long range planning. Qualities we Americans seldom demonstrate. Any program to do so would have to confront the lock on markets the large AG companies currently enjoy.

I personally believe these subsidies to all segments of our society are the greatest threat to our long range survival of our Constitution and Freedoms.
 
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Allen,
Yes I agree with what you're saying. The problem is the farmers are so beholden to the programs because they know without them they're through. What I mean by letting the chips fall where they may is that you go back 30 years and put corporate america where it was. Bust up these huge companies and let there be competition again. Quit approving all these huge corporate buyouts and restructure foreign ownership of corporations. That's really the only way that any of this will ever happen. We just keep getting smaller and smaller numbers of competitors until sometime in the not too distant future you will see virtually all commerce controlled by a few corporations. We're already there in singular markets like farming, oil, energy, etc.
 
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I don't farm but most of my relatives on my mom's side do. But I believe the "farm situation" affects us all, whether you are a producer or consumer. If the family farms (large and small) leave the scene, the large corporations take over. Unlike the family farmer who has to accept the prices given for his production, the large corporations will help set the price and I don't think it will be lower! (my opinion for what its worth).

Gene
 
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The big reason for govern. invovlement is to keep the prices low for the 99 % of the people who do not farm but do vote. Thr govern. imports more to keep prices down. Large corps are not causing the problem, it is the 99 % of the people who scream when the price of bread increases 10 cents and then blames the farmer. The free market system does work if you allow it to work. The farm program is an example of what a socialst government would be like. Everybody wanting with no way to succeed.

Dan L
 
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You hit the nail on the head with that post Dan.
 
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Typical price for corn in our area was just over $5/bushel around 1995. I guess that may not be a record but was a very good price and my brother said the best he had in over 25 years. Of course most people already sold their corn before then.
$10/bushel corn! Might change professions if had those prices!!
 
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Opps! Sorry cowboydoc I just saw your recent post.
Farmers currently are completely dependant on gov subsidies to maintain a living. I make a good living but I still get my $700 gov check each year for 80 acres I own. I chuckle each time I get it. Unfortunately for my farmer friends they depend on it.
After calculating planting costs, land taxes (NE has the highest farm land taxes in the midwest), interest on the land loan and then subtracting farm income it is about break even at best. Why farmers and companies continue to buy land is a mystery to me. Despite poor prices, land values have remained stable or slightly increased in the past few years. If you own your own land (and enough land) you can currently make a living. If you buy or rent land - forget it.
 
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Yea unfortunatley for these guys Radman the govt. has got them by the you know whats.
 
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<font color=red>The big reason for govern. invovlement is to keep the prices low for the 99 % of the people who do not farm but do vote. </font color=red>

You might be right but the original purpose of government intervention into farm comodies was to stablize prices from on season to the next. Today, I believe the government wants to have some type of leverage over farmers and it does. Normally, I am very conservative and believe in a free market.

The ag markets are not free. There is an unholy relationship between the large ag companies and government. Many farm products have some type of monopoly, at least on a regional basis controling the price farmer receive or the price farmers pay for feed, fertilizer. The poultry industry is a prime example. Chicken farmers owe their soul to the company store. The farmers have been squeezed- the middle men- make the lion's share of the profit and take the least risk.

Rick
 

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