VW Clean diesels.... how did they get them so clean?

[sseelhoff]

You don't mention the class action suits. I understand at the moment there are already about 60 of those and I presume the state's attorneys general will have suits as well. I'd be surprised if some group of dealerships doesn't sue too.

There are going to be some rich lawyers at the end of the process.

The civil damages would arise out of the class actions. You cannot recover as a member of the class, and then recover indidually. The damage model I outlined would be VW's worst case scenario in those actions.

There are going to be some rich lawyers at the end of the process.

Sometimes you say the sweetest things to me.

 

[Coyote machine]

Yep, the fact that it is incorrect information is accurate. I'll give you that.

I'll give you this: Why don't you read the following link. It states in the video, before the text that Toyota chose to stick with gas and hybrids, and NO diesels because they knew that a diesel with today's available technology could not meet EPA standards for emissions on the road. VW knew this too, and consequently had to cheat on the tests to show results that cannot be achieved on the road for performance, emissions and fuel economy/efficiency. They couldn't do it then, they won't be able to make the existing cars do it now; they've already tried unsuccessfully twice to date.

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...est Results From Germany - Bloomberg Business

These are more of the actual facts pertaining to VW and diesels in general.

 

[DarkBlack]

Coyote, I like most others, see the situation as Volkswagen cheating real world driving emissions compliance, and passing the dyno test without "cheating ". I think we all "got " your opinion of it.

 

[Garandman]

I'll give you this: Why don't you read the following link. It states in the video, before the text that Toyota chose to stick with gas and hybrids, and NO diesels because they knew that a diesel with today's available technology could not meet EPA standards for emissions on the road

 

[ovrszd]

I agree. EPA barely had passenger vehicle diesel on their radar until that past year or so when this VW thing came up. They have much bigger fish to fry. Recall that the EPA had lower diesel emission standards than CA (and other states like MA that adopted CA standards). As I recall in 2007 you could buy a Mercedes diesel anywhere in the US except CA and MA.

The persistent emotional hatred of the EPA by the right wing needs to be considered as simply a political, not a rational, statement. The reactionary and frankly intellectually lazy anti EPA attitudes that are regurgitated daily in the echo chamber are not going to help deal with situations like those posed by VW. "Don't tell me what to do" or "we didn't do it this way when I was growing up" is a rather childish approach to the environment. I do understand that folks in Wyoming don't understand why they should be held to the same standards for air quality control as California but then I also understand why the 38 million people in California are sometimes angry that the half million people in Wyoming have equal influence in the Senate. It goes both ways. We have national standards and a national organization (EPA) to maintain environmental standards because, simply, we are a nation and history has taught us that we need standards. Who else is going to insure that trucks don't belch smoke or that car companies play on a level and relatively clean field? Corporations will gladly rape the land, air and water to secure their own profits. The superfund sites were not created by the EPA, they were created mostly by profit seeking companies operating in the commercial environment that preceded the creation of the EPA. And yes, even government needs to be held to EPA standards as is obvious from nuclear and military toxic waste disposal problems. If one company is honest then they will be overwhelmed by the companies that are willing to bend or break the rules. EPA, with teeth, serves as a referee to insure that environmental fouls are called and penalized. Why is that so hard to understand?

It's easy to understand. As long as it applies to someone else. Do you want an EPA official nosing around your place?? We all violate. We all contribute to "The Skies Falling" scenario.

Someone who cares can look it up,,,,, I'm sure China offsets our attempt to purify the World by dozens if not hundreds of times.

The EPA can kiss my grits.

 

[sseelhoff]

It's easy to understand. As long as it applies to someone else. Do you want an EPA official nosing around your place?? We all violate. We all contribute to "The Skies Falling" scenario.

Someone who cares can look it up,,,,, I'm sure China offsets our attempt to purify the World by dozens if not hundreds of times.

The EPA can kiss my grits.

The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague. In Three Felonies a Day, Harvey A. Silverglate reveals how federal criminal laws have become dangerously disconnected from the English common law tradition and how prosecutors can pin arguable federal crimes on any one of us, for even the most seemingly innocuous behavior. The volume of federal crimes in recent decades has increased well beyond the statute books and into the morass of the Code of Federal Regulations, handing federal prosecutors an additional trove of vague and exceedingly complex and technical prohibitions to stick on their hapless targets. The dangers spelled out in Three Felonies a Day do not apply solely to “white collar criminals,” state and local politicians, and professionals. No social class or profession is safe from this troubling form of social control by the executive branch, and nothing less than the integrity of our constitutional democracy hangs in the balance.

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey Silverglate, Alan M. Dershowitz: 9781594035227: Amazon.com: Books

Alan Dershowitz wrote the Foreward to this book. No conservative he.

 

[hutchman]

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey Silverglate, Alan M. Dershowitz: 9781594035227: Amazon.com: Books

Alan Dershowitz wrote the Foreward to this book. No conservative he.

Right on! There is a Web site too:
You, too?

I remember several years ago when this came out.

Basically things have gotten to the point where if you are outspoken and 'cause a problem', you can be arrested and prosecuted for any number of things.

It's even worse with the new NDAA. If they can pin any kind of terrorism activity on you you can be detained indefinitely without legal representation or your family even knowing where you went!

 

[Helitech]

Based on some of the views here and elsewhere....we should be a couple of years away from gasoline CUTs.......

 

[Garandman]

Volkswagen Has Never Understood its Place in the U.S.

 

[Coyote machine]

Coyote, I like most others, see the situation as Volkswagen cheating real world driving emissions compliance, and passing the dyno test without "cheating ". I think we all "got " your opinion of it.

Did you? I get that you, among others, think if VW 'passed' the dyno, and only led the EPA to believe the diesels in question were compliant on the road, because they passed the dyno/lab test that the whole clean diesel concept is not a complete deception from beginning to end on VW's part.
None of what I've stated to date is based on 'my opinion'. I have quoted, cited, and shown various links to world new agencies, and you guys have tried to say they, USA Today and others, are wrong.
They can't all be wrong, especially since they are independent sources from around the world. Believe what you want to; it makes no difference to me.

So a picture of a Chevy diesel is supposed to address what I've said to date? How exactly? Low performance? Compliance to EPA standards? If they are actually meeting the EPA standards, good for them. Then they must know something VW and Toyota don't. If so, which I suppose is in the realm of possibility, what is it they employed that no one else can seem to match to comply with the CARB and EPA compliance requirements?
BTW, I hope your Cruze is a good car for you. Best of luck, and lets hope that Chevy didn't cheat the requirements too.:thumbsup: