Walmart strikes again

   / Walmart strikes again #11  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Puzzling to me why Walmart (and others) don't just add the charge from the credit cards to the price, same as the way they add the state sales tax. )</font>

All credit card companies have clauses in their contracts with the merchants that forbid the merchant from charging a separate fee to cover the credit card fee. If a merchant is caught doing it, their credit card privileges can be canceled. Merchants generally accept the cost of the credit card processing fee as a cost of doing business, like paying for freight, because the extra sales they make due to the credit card access far outweighs the fees.

On the other hand, excessive fees are often cause for a business to not take a card. American Express, for example, charges more than double what MC. Visa and Discover charge, because they don't charge their customers interest, and they have to make money somehow. In my business, I knew that every AmEx card holder also has a MC or Visa, so I refused to take AmEx and pay the high fee.

If a business does take AmEx, they have a clause in the contract that specifically prohibits the merchant from suggesting that a customer use another card because the processing fee is lower.

With regards to debit cards, small businesses have a choice. They can pay a slightly higher fee for processing the card as a credit card, or pay a lower fee per transaction for the debit cards, but incur costs in the monthly fees and terminal costs. It depends on volume. In my small business, I used a computer-based POS that had a credit card processing module, and owned a credit card reader, so I had no monthly terminal costs. I elected to process debit cards as credit cards because my volume of debit card use was low.

Walmart can afford the fees. It sounds like they are trying to use their enormous clout to force MC to lower their fees, just like they do to vendors to lower the cost of goods. They really don't care whether MC goes out of business, or not.

Your bank should be able and willing to issue you a Visa-based debit card at no charge, even though you already have a MC. I no longer have any credit cards. If I don't have the money in the bank to cover the debit card, I don't buy the item. It's nice to be debt-free.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #12  
Years back a friend took a stack of brand new crisp $20s and made them into a pad with padding cement. He slipped it into an old check book holder and when he went to a store and was buying something for a few bucks he'd pull this out and ask if they took checks. If they said no, he'd say well, you'll take one of mine, right, and peel off a $20. Good for a laugh all around.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #13  
<font color="blue"> All credit card companies have clauses in their contracts with the merchants that forbid the merchant from charging a separate fee to cover the credit card fee. </font>

Don,

That may be true in the retail sales but in wholesale.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #14  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( There's a reason MasterCard raised their fees. To make up for lost revenue.
You've seen the commercials, "Some don't take American Express.... they take Visa, blah blah blah.". MasterCard is not even mentioned. Why not? Probably because they lost their clout years ago.
I've been in several retail locations that don't take MasterCard so I don't even own a MasterCard anymore.

It's not Wallyworld's fault MC raised their fees. Boycot MasterCard instead. )</font>

OK Guys..... Lets put the blame squarely where it belongs .... on the shoulders of Walmart!! Walmart and a few other of the big giant stores started a class action law suit a few years ago against Master Card and Visa for charging the same discount rate for debit cards as they did for regular credit cards. The credit card companies lost the case and had to pony up a lot of money to all the merchants that took the debit cards. The sad part is that the little guy didn't get anything because the way the settlement was structured. I don't know the exact details of all the finite nuances, but suffice it to say, that the bulk of the money went to the lawyers and the big retailers. Now to make up for that loss, Master Card has structured the fees in a way that Walmart doesn't like. It is a take it or leave it situation. Walmart has decided to leave it. They are big enough that they can do this and the customers can complain, but it will fall on deaf ears. Visa caved in and gave Walmart what they wanted. In the end, we the consumer are going to pay. It cost the average retailer about 3% for a credit card sale or check sale. This coupled with the increase of transportation is going to be reflected in higher prices which in turn will eventually be referred to as "inflation". Hold onto your savings, because you are going to need it just to make ends meet in the next few years unless this country gets spending and taxes under control. When we have cheap energy, the economy grows, when the energy prices rise, then everything comes to a screeching halt. I can see the brake lights now and the smoke is starting to rise from the tires. Watch out for the impending rear end collision. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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<font color="blue"> Your bank should be able and willing to issue you a Visa-based debit card at no charge, even though you already have a MC. I no longer have any credit cards. If I don't have the money in the bank to cover the debit card, I don't buy the item.
</font> You and Junkman are the closest to catching the point I was trying to make. I don't have credit cards. My wife doesn't let me write checks (something about my adding & subtracting). We use a small local bank for our stuff. I don't know if they can change my account to a Visa. I don't pay for gas or diesel 'til the end of the month (or whenever he remembers to add up my bill). I don't carry alot of cash, that's what the debit card is supposed to be for. I do know that Walmart should have a sign posted saying they no longer accept Mastercard. On the way out of the store, I looked on the entrance (on my way out)and it still had the mastercard logo with the others.
And, oh yeah, I was buying 5 cases of oil not just a couple of bottles.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #16  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I don't have credit cards )</font>

Maybe it's time you get one.

I'm not trying to sound insensitive, but if you don't want to pay cash for your items, then you must pay the stores with what they will accept.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #17  
Maybe they'll accept one of those million dollar bills that somebody already tried to pawn off at another WalMart. Let's see 3 gallons of tractor oil and $999,962.00 in change. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Walmart strikes again #18  
I don't see this as a Walmart issue, they can choose which cards they will take and individuals can choose which cards they'll carry. If the two don't match for you, then you can shop somewhere else? I don't have any balance on my credit cards either but I do find them easy to use for some transactions and just having them doesn't cause a balance. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Walmart strikes again #19  
You can not add the fees the credit card companies charge you for there cards into the sale price. This action voids yours merchant agreement. Merchants practicing this or using minimums are at risk of loosing there agreement if reported to the card issuer enough.
 
   / Walmart strikes again #20  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> All credit card companies have clauses in their contracts with the merchants that forbid the merchant from charging a separate fee to cover the credit card fee. </font>

Don,

That may be true in the retail sales but in wholesale. )</font>


Billy,

The charge master card has is across the board. As a retailer or wholesaler you can not charge extra for a customer using master card. You can add it in your cost but you best be selling the same product for the same amount as you would cash.

As a consumer I love the credit card, pay it off every month so I don't have any interest. Love the GM dollars I build up by using it. But most retailers hate the card and as a retailer myself I really wished it wasn't there.


murph
 

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