Dealer Want to purchase CK20, but dealer is 70 miles away

shoppintractors · May 11, 2004

Over 3 years, Kioti tractors loose %55-60 of their value, Kubota looses %40-45
 Over 15 years Kioti trators fall to %20-25 of their sale value, Kubota never really drops below %35

being a Kubota dealer my opinion is clearly biased. 

I wouldn't put a lot of weight to your numbers(no pun intended). The Kioti's of three years ago cost way less then the Kubota's so the Kioti's owners pocketed the big price difference upfront. The Kioti's from 15 years ago cost a fraction of what the Kubota's cost so they are way ahead of the game.

but they have a long way to go before they have the reputation thats going to help that resale value hold like the big 3.

It wasn't so long ago this cliche was used with Kubota at the beginning of the sentence.

All numbers from the Ground Equipment Blue Book from April 1st 2003. 

Your information is already a year out of date. Kioti has rolled out some very well designed and thought out tractors over the last few years which your numbers do not reflect. However, you did state you are baised and a Kubota dealer, that is very well understood.

Don

BotaGuy · May 11, 2004

KiotiJohn....I agree with you that regardless if the dealer is a mile away...if they are arrogant and not interested in selling a peice of equipment.....then you should look elsewhere. I have no doubt there are dealers all over...no matter what color, that would prefer to watch their tractors get sunbaked as opposed to working with a customer to get them sold. Your experience was with Kubota, mine has been with un-responsive Deere dealers. Kioti, as a manufacturer was quite responsive when i inquired about starting a franchise....more responsive than Kubota for sure.

All Kioti owners.....my thoughts were not meant to seriously offend anyone, however when blanket, untrue statements are made, you all should be able to respond in a civil, and logical way. If you are so passionate about defending your brand, at least be able to argue with actual numbers or facts., it will help the credibility. So far all that has been proved is the Kioti weighs more, has a better loader, and they have lower re-sale.

So, if you took offense to my calling your tractor "Bloated" Sorry. Otherwise, my opinion and post was relevant to the discussion.

shoppintractors · May 11, 2004

however when blanket, untrue statements are made, 
I hadn't seen any, except for yours.

 If you are so passionate about defending your brand, at least be able to argue with actual numbers or facts., it will help the credibility. 
No credibility issues here.

So far all that has been proved is the Kioti weighs more, has a better loader, and they have lower re-sale.
 That is your opinion. At this point your just rehashing. You've tried to turn this into a pissing contest. I think we need to agree to disagree and move on. You've made your purchase, go put some hours on your tractor, then you can share some of your accomplishments.

Don

milkman · May 11, 2004

Engine: BX 22HP CK 21HP

."Absolutely no comparison between the two (Subcut vs. Cut)"

"I think you should have a closer look at the two tractors. They are not really comparable. The Kioti is bigger, stronger and heavier. It's probably a little more expensive, but it's a lot more tractor."

If there's such a difference in size, then does that mean the little Kubota is overpowered, or does that make the big Kioti is underpowered /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Poppa · May 11, 2004

About ten years ago I was doing some work at the Homeport Naval station in Everett WA. My job was to lay out where soil borings were supposed to be done. Easy work, I would basically walk around armed with a three hundred foot tape, a hand full of three foot survey lathe and a map. Find a known spot and start measuring. Anyway, on my first trip out there seems that someone forgot to tell me one important aspect of the area. This piece of ground the Navy was building on was a breeding ground for Seagulls. The navy had tried to remove them but essentially to no avail especially once the environmentalists became involved. So, in the middle of this mulit million dollar construction zone sat an area about a hundred to two hundred feet in diameter that couldn't be disturbed.

Well, as it turned out one of the borings I had to locate was on one side of the breeding ground and the "Known" point was on the other. Being unaware of the situation I hooked my tape up and started walking. Everything went fine until I started to climb this five foot berm. Get to the top and all hell breaks loose. It's like a bad scene from Hitchcocks "The Birds". Scared me bad. I tumble back down the berm and take off runnning. Of course nothing is chasing me and I get my wits back and look things over and everything looks peaceful. So, I SLOWLY this time begin climbing the berm and once more the screeching and hollering ensues. I raise my arms and wave them like a teenager at a rap concert and look around as best I can and see maybe four or five nests pretty close to where I am and each nest holds some fluffy lumps. I quickly back down from the berm, get myself armed with a couple of survey lathes and then storm the beach like Sergeant Rock. Up and over the berm, across No-Man's land. Carefully avoiding landmines and then up and over another berm. The whole time I am leading an orchestra of dozens of very irate seagulls trying to drive me away from their nests and their young. I knew what they were doing so I was really trying not to hurt any of the birds, just trying to finish my job so I could get out of there. Once I was on the other side and out of their area they let me alone. I marked my boring, walked the long way around to unhook my tape and then went home.

Anyway, I guess it's time to get to the point. It's been ten years since this happened but the cacophony of those terrifying moments has always stayed with me. I have tried many times to explain it to people. How the birds were just trying to protect their own, a noble cause. They didn't want to hurt me they just didn't want me to hurt them either. Well with all the explanation I have never known what to call it.

Of course I do now, that rallying cry of defense is called Kiotitude /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mike

JayC · May 11, 2004

( Of course I do now, that rallying cry of defense is called Kiotitude )

LOL!

That is a very interesting analogy! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

shoppintractors · May 11, 2004

Cute, Mike...Cute

Thanks for typing and typing and typing... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Don

GerardC · May 11, 2004

( ....So far all that has been proved is the Kioti weighs more, has a better loader, and they have lower re-sale.)

I never think about resale when I buy something, EVER! Do you really think your going to get back what you paid for it? Not likely.
If I'm buying something it's because I need it, (maybe want it) period . You'll never know what your getting until you take possession of it. If it served it's purpose for ME, my money was well spent!!!!!!!

Poppa · May 11, 2004

Gerard, Each and every time I buy a stock, bond or mutual fund I think about Resale. It never matters and my thinking is constantly proved wrong but by diddy, I think about it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mike

BotaGuy · May 11, 2004

Gerard.....

Yes, I always think about it. It is part of the ownership cost. If an item cost more, but retains much better value, then when I am done, I will get better value. If I buy something that is less expensive to save money, and then I can't get rid of it....which option caused the most monetary outflow. Many times, needs or situations change and the item you bought, no longer meets the need.....hence you can either re-coup more of your money, or let it go down the drain.

Do I expect to get my money back??? Not always.... but consider this. I bought a compact tractor in 2001....for $10,100. I used it for a year, and we did the unthinkable, we sold our house and 63 acres and moved into the city due to a new baby. I sold the compact tractor in the spring of 2002, for $10,000 which included a brush hog, a cheap landscape rake, and a blade that I got for free. The tractor had 36 hours, and was in excellent shape. I have no doubt that the reason it sold so quickly was because of the brand. Did I expect to get what I paid? No, but it was darn close.