Wanting first impact wrench

[5030]

Sure could have fooled me. Snap-On, Matco and MAC don't manufacture anything. They all contract with actual manufacturers to have tools made to their specifications and branded with their logo. They are nothing more than a stocking distributor that distributes house branded tools, at a price. Nothing more.

Just like Craftsman and Sears. No difference.

Williams makes quite a few tools for Snap-on for instance.

Don't believe for a minute that because it's Snap-On and you paid 3 times the going rate for it, that it's made here (USA) because the odds are very good, it's not. In fact, Snap-On markets quite a few items that are made in China. The same applies to Matco and MAC.

A good and easily viewed example is the roll around service cart with the hinged lid that Snap-On sells (was just in their flyer). Harbor Freight offers the same exact cart (painted red instead of blue and has a Chicago Tool pressure sensitive plastic logo plate instead of a Blue Point/Snap-On plate attached) for 1/2 the price of the Snap-on version. Both made in China.

Another is their (Snap-On) 12 volt continuity tester that I bought (but could have bought at Harbor Freight for about 1/3rd the price). It's made in Mexico and packaged for Snap-On. Says so right on the box laying here on the desk. I paid 99 bucks for a Snap-On logo and I could have paid 20 at the Fright store. Sucks to be me.

Waterloo (USA) produces most of the fancy cabinets that Snap-On markets, under license of course. You know which ones, the ones that mechanics all over are indentured to the Snap-On man for........:laughing:

 

[Bird]

Daryl, I went to Matco's training program in Ohio with my brother when he became a Matco distributor. At that time (don't know about now), Matco had their own factory and made their own tool boxes, very good ones, in fact. But as you said, everything else was made for them by other companies, both foreign and domestic. They had an interesting facility for testing stuff they either already sold, or that some manufacturer wanted them to sell. You know how that works. Abuse a tool to see how much it can stand before breaking.:laughing: I assume MAC and Snap-on have similar testing facilities.

 

[LD1]

Since to topic of tool-boxes was brought up...

I have to say, I am a kennedy man.

They ARE exensive, but no more so than a snap-on, waterloo, mac, etc.

And they are made right here in good ole OHIO, up in Van Wert. Nobody makes them for kennedy, Kennedy makes them themselves.

And no, I am not affiliated with them in anyway. I just think they make a toolbox that is as good as any other. And they are 100% made right here in the USA.

Kennedy Manufacturing Co.

 

[Scooby074]

But not Snap-on. Their tools were generally no better, no worse, than IR & CP, but parts cost 2 or 3 times as much.

Going to have to take exception to that. Ive used and owned both Snappy and MAC branded IR. The snappy is just better. And only about $150 more than my MAC is. My MAC is good, but if i wasnt made a sweet offer i would have replaced my Snapon with a Snapon.

Sure could have fooled me. Snap-On, Matco and MAC don't manufacture anything. They all contract with actual manufacturers to have tools made to their specifications and branded with their logo.

Thats not correct. Snapon runs their own foundry. They make most of their own tools. They do contract some "fringe" tools out, especially under the Bluepoint brand, But if it says SNAPON there's a 99% chance it was made in-house.

MAC Used to make most of their hardline tools. Air tools were always rebrands. But since Stan-ree tools bought them out, they've been gutted. I cant speak to where there hardline is made now, as i no longer have a MAC guy, so im not up on their current line. When we lost the MAC guy, alot of MAC's products were coming out of china.

Just like Craftsman and Sears. No difference.

Big differance re: snapon, see above

Williams makes quite a few tools for Snap-on for instance.

Williams (and Bahco and many others) are divisions of Snapon. Williams makes their tools in the USA.

Don't believe for a minute that because it's Snap-On and you paid 3 times the going rate for it, that it's made here (USA) because the odds are very good, it's not. In fact, Snap-On markets quite a few items that are made in China.

Actually there is a VERY good chance that if its Snap-on its made in USA. Snapon-s bread and butter is screwdrivers, wrenches, ratchets and sockets. Theyre ALL made in the USA. Snap-on's website lists Country of Origin for all their tools. They dont hide this info.

A good and easily viewed example is the roll around service cart with the hinged lid that Snap-On sells (was just in their flyer). Harbor Freight offers the same exact cart (painted red instead of blue and has a Chicago Tool pressure sensitive plastic logo plate instead of a Blue Point/Snap-On plate attached) for 1/2 the price of the Snap-on version. Both made in China.

Mixing up Bluepoint and Snap-on again? Bluepoint is the import / rebrand division of Snapon. The Bluepoint seal puller for example is EXACTLY the same as the Cman.

Another is their (Snap-On) 12 volt continuity tester that I bought (but could have bought at Harbor Freight for about 1/3rd the price). It's made in Mexico and packaged for Snap-On. Says so right on the box laying here on the desk. I paid 99 bucks for a Snap-On logo and I could have paid 20 at the Fright store. Sucks to be me.

I believe thats made in a Snap-on plant. Those testers are either Mexican or out of Korea now. Theyre still a very fine tester. I dont have one, i use an old, Made in the USA Cliplight heavy duty that wont die. The long, coiled cord on the Snappy would be a selling point for me however.

Waterloo (USA) produces most of the fancy cabinets that Snap-On markets, under license of course. You know which ones, the ones that mechanics all over are indentured to the Snap-On man for........:laughing:

Waterloo DOESNT make snapon boxes. Snap-on had a box plant in Ontario (which they just closed, thanks snapon). They moved that production to their Iowa (not Waterloo) plant i believe.

Waterloo does however make the Cman boxes. Ive worked out of a Waterloo box. Theyre fine boxes.

Actually i dont like Snap-on boxes. Lista absolutely destroys them in toughness and quality. But they arent flashy or as impressive to your peers.

I haven't drunk the red Koolaid, just want to set the record straight. My box is a mix of Snapon, MAC (USA) and Cman (USA). I dont support Harbor Freight (Princess Auto) very much. I do have a few of their tools, but theyre usually single/low use items.

 

[seymojo536]

That's a fair statemet however, we now have an 'armchair society' so being mechanized is preferrable over armstrong power.

I've busted some big nuts with my Williams 1" drive and breaker bar, BIG NUTS. Like Charles Atlas said, "Give me a long enough lever and I'll move the world"......

In the interest of accuracy, it was Archimedes not Charley who made that statement. Charley was a bodybuilder from the '50s famous for his ads in the back of comic books.

 

[5030]

This is cyberland. We only need to be close.

Like everything else both physical and spoken, it's all be done before. Anything new is just a rehash.

 

[5030]

Since to topic of tool-boxes was brought up...

I have to say, I am a kennedy man.

They ARE exensive, but no more so than a snap-on, waterloo, mac, etc.

And they are made right here in good ole OHIO, up in Van Wert. Nobody makes them for kennedy, Kennedy makes them themselves.

And no, I am not affiliated with them in anyway. I just think they make a toolbox that is as good as any other. And they are 100% made right here in the USA.

Kennedy Manufacturing Co.

My toolboxes are Gerstner. Kennedy is for the apprentice. When your tools are in a Gerstner, you've arrived in paycheck. Gerstner is in Dayton, Ohio by the way.

Going to have to take exception to that. Ive used and owned both Snappy and MAC branded IR. The snappy is just better. And only about $150 more than my MAC is. My MAC is good, but if i wasnt made a sweet offer i would have replaced my Snapon with a Snapon.



Thats not correct. Snapon runs their own foundry. They make most of their own tools. They do contract some "fringe" tools out, especially under the Bluepoint brand, But if it says SNAPON there's a 99% chance it was made in-house.

MAC Used to make most of their hardline tools. Air tools were always rebrands. But since Stan-ree tools bought them out, they've been gutted. I cant speak to where there hardline is made now, as i no longer have a MAC guy, so im not up on their current line. When we lost the MAC guy, alot of MAC's products were coming out of china.




Big differance re: snapon, see above




Williams (and Bahco and many others) are divisions of Snapon. Williams makes their tools in the USA.




Actually there is a VERY good chance that if its Snap-on its made in USA. Snapon-s bread and butter is screwdrivers, wrenches, ratchets and sockets. Theyre ALL made in the USA. Snap-on's website lists Country of Origin for all their tools. They dont hide this info.




Mixing up Bluepoint and Snap-on again? Bluepoint is the import / rebrand division of Snapon. The Bluepoint seal puller for example is EXACTLY the same as the Cman.



I believe thats made in a Snap-on plant. Those testers are either Mexican or out of Korea now. Theyre still a very fine tester. I dont have one, i use an old, Made in the USA Cliplight heavy duty that wont die. The long, coiled cord on the Snappy would be a selling point for me however.



Waterloo DOESNT make snapon boxes. Snap-on had a box plant in Ontario (which they just closed, thanks snapon). They moved that production to their Iowa (not Waterloo) plant i believe.

Waterloo does however make the Cman boxes. Ive worked out of a Waterloo box. Theyre fine boxes.

Actually i dont like Snap-on boxes. Lista absolutely destroys them in toughness and quality. But they arent flashy or as impressive to your peers.

I haven't drunk the red Koolaid, just want to set the record straight. My box is a mix of Snapon, MAC (USA) and Cman (USA). I dont support Harbor Freight (Princess Auto) very much. I do have a few of their tools, but theyre usually single/low use items.

I'll stand corrected then. I'm not a devout any brand person except for precision tools and then it's LSS, Weber or Mitituyo.

I have 4 roll around boxes with top chests, lets see, a Waterloo and 3 old line Crftsman plus 2 Gerstners, one mahogany and one oak, 3 lathes 2 milling machines, 2 surface grinders, a 3 axis CNC Haas, a LeBlond Frequency controlled servo shift, various presses, Mig, Tig, Smaw, OA, plasma, spray arc and a CNC plasma table not to mention 3 compressors, 2 reciprocating and one rotary..... and a couple employees too. Air conditioned in the summer and heated (floor heat) in the winter. I like to be comfortable and productive.

To think I started out in pre fabricated garden shed.

 

[LD1]

I'm not a devout any brand person except for precision tools and then it's LSS, Weber or Mitituyo.

No starrett?? Brown&Sharpe?? Fowler?? Lufkin? Tesa?

 

[seymojo536]

This is cyberland. We only need to be close.

Like everything else both physical and spoken, it's all be done before. Anything new is just a rehash.

Man, you weren't even in the right millenium. If you can't remember the past, then I suppose it would be a rehash to you.

 

[trook]

I tried to use Lowe's best IR, rated at 600 ft/lbs to break loose the blades on my MX6 rotary cutter. After it failed, I returned it and bought an aircat 1200 1/2 " drive from ebay. It's SUPPOSED to have 1200 ft/lbs of torque. I don't know if it actually does, but it DID slowly loosen the 1 1/2 inch nuts on my blades. :thumbsup: