washouts and who's problem is it?

[Phils]

, although this is going to be quit expensive, a backhoe will have to be used and will need to cut approx 600 ft of ditch,..

Yep, buying a backhoe will be expensive but what better reason could you come up with to justify the new toy?

Phil

 

[deepNdirt]

Yep, buying a backhoe will be expensive but what better reason could you come up with to justify the new toy?

Phil

as much as I would like to own a backhoe attachment for my Yanmar I don't think I'd ever have use for it again and would probably just sit around collecting rust I would either rent one or had even though if using a trencher type machine would work? the( Ditch witch ) make a single pass about 3 ft deep and let the flow of water take care of the rest, perhaps the rush of water will open it up larger? I've seen out on job sites where trenches have been dig for under ground cable and good rain come wash it open larger although I have also seen where the rain can wash in mud to fill in the trench back in as well ........................
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as to the way the dried up creek bed was! before I done anything ... it ran across all adjoining properties, and when I filled it in I tried being the good neighbor by cutting the swell down my property letting the water flow on into the wooded area instead of dumping it on to my other neighbors property, and of course he was very grateful for this and was able to fill in the dried creek bed on his side and have more usable land,
as I said this worked good to help water the tree's etc, until the development of the adjacent property came along and now causes the washout, all the dirt/mud from the washout nows is down in the bottom of the wooded area of my property so it really has become an environment issue that I don't want too many folks snooping around and seeing, I'm sure I could get people to agree something must be done but my only concern is if it would be opening a can of worms and forcing me to pull out of pocket money that I don't have to get this issue corected......

 

[2manyrocks]

I asked about using a backhoe attachment on my Yanmar 226D and the dealer said he had seen more than one small tractor that broke something when the owner tried to use them with backhoe attachments.

Lay of the land and water flow are difficult to grasp over the internet. That makes it difficult to say what is most helpful to you or would work. So the following are only possible ideas to look at---

My impression is that a trencher will cut a deep but narrow trench, but may not necessarily divert your water flow. If you have a bunch of large rocks in the soil, then that points to a backhoe. But it could be that a little reshaping of the surface with a dozer plus immediate reseeding and strawing might help, too.

If you could post a picture, I'm sure folks would offer more suggestions.

 

[deepNdirt]

If you could post a picture, I'm sure folks would offer more suggestions.

did you say Pictures?

I wish I had thought to have got some pix before I started the filling it of the swell, the first pix shows after although it was a good 2 1/2 deep in some area's, I have still to cleanup the lower part of the washout that Leeds into the woods, but a couple picture there gives an example of whats going on, I have put out large amount of seed and stone although it winds up washing down into the woods, I have got good lawn in the woods now :thumbsup: feeds the deer and other grass eating wildlife,
one pictures shows the culvert which I know doesn't look to appose much of a threat but I assure you when the heavy rain comes this thing can shoot water 3 ft. like a canon, my property starts just to the right of the foliage I had a fence with silt screen but the waters has flatten it and since has covered with mud, the last fall came and covered this area in leaves so cannot really make out,
the last picture is just over the area in which I have not gotten around to fixing yet,

 

[dcyrilc]

I still think that if you line the outflow area with riprap (6-10" fractured rock) it should handle the flow and prevent washouts. You will probably need about a truck load to cover the area needed. Also, you will need to dig down some where the culvert exits the ground so that the top of the rock is below the culvert. Once you are about 15ft down swale from the pipe, the water should have spread out enough for the sod to protect the swale. The riprap should be placed as a flat layer tight together with smaller rock layed in to fill any gaps and then wheel rolled and seeded with grass so that it will root in and help hold everything together. The swale at the outfall of the pipe should start in line with the pipe and make a sweeping turn to direct the water the direction you need it to go.

Hope you can follow what I'm trying to describe.

 

[deepNdirt]

Yes I suppose its going to take more effort than simply re-grading and sewing off seed to get it to stay in grass, ... beside there is no more topsoil left and this clay doesn't start grass seed by itself,
this area used to look like the 3 rd picture all the way thru out the swell. or swale

all the rain runoff was being filtered through the grass and growth before it reached the creek, but now it concerns me that the water can soon be getting silt entering it,