watch out for bait and switch

[willywildes]

GIVE ME A BREAK ON THE RULES!! this is only part of a pattern
of how this dealer operated and is intended to help people like me who will only buy one tractor in there life time.
What to watch out for. riddler is right i kind of rush in the end to get
the 0% and took a mans word that could not deliver. Well
Kubota is helping me to get it resolved. Riddler glad to here
all is well on your new baby. Good luck be safe!

p.s as for lawsuits i have the truth on my side and the documents. just not worth the time and effort

WW

 

[Junkman]

That dealer was telling you the truth and there were no hidden costs. He line itemed them for you to see. The line items are not negotiable in some dealerships, because this is the way service is set up. Service has to carry their profit margin and they do charge these fees to the sales department. This is done so the sales department also has to show a profit on their own merit, and not short change the service department out of their profits. I don't see anything wrong with this type of selling as long as it is all spelled out. The dealer did this and for some reason you are unhappy. I don't understand why this should frustrate you when a dealer spells out exactly what you are getting and how it is broken down into the $$$$$. This dealer was upfront about all the costs in the purchase. You decided to go else where, but at least you then had an idea of what it actually cost to get that tractor from the crate to standing on its own 4 tires. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[KennyV]

…I as a consumer do not care for all deception, the dealer prep, assembling, ordering, shipping AND handling and every other possible break down things are marketed with…

IF you need to charge 1.23% more than the price you are putting in bold print … why not just put you total price in bold print? The reason … in most cases more likely than not, it is used to pump the price and leave some space for the ‘closer’ to negotiate the sale. That’s one way to market your stuff, not my choice when it comes to buying…

When it comes to a car, boat, or tractor, you already know what model you are interested in… how you want it equipped, and if you want the white wall AG tires only on the front. You are generally price shopping AND maybe dealer shopping. You’re generally looking for the bottom line… a good scale to judge your dealer is HOW LONG DOSE IT TAKE before they give you that bottom line.

If he needs to add .00027% to the sale because he wants to have two ply tissue in the bathrooms… that’s fine, but he dose not need to itemize to the consumer to justify his pricing. Or so that house keeping can show a profit. The idea that jumping through a lot of hoops will dazzle the buyer to the point he can’t see the end number may have worked somewhere, sometime. Why not line item the cost of the coffee that is available while you are in the dealership? I also think there is room for energy adjustment, could snag a few more bucks during the dead of winter or peak heat of summer. After all, those are actual bills that must be paid. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

“Upfront” is not a lot of ‘line items’ in small print justifying the real bottom line. But the way … all things are negotiable. If not at this dealership it will be at the one that makes the sale.

Just my limited experience as a consumer, and long rant... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif KennyV.

 

[willywildes]

The difference between buying a car and a tractor is the mulroony sticker which spells out the destination charges
and all options before this law some of them were tractor dealers. use generic terms you sign the contract no cooling off period and when the car comes in it has half the options
you thought you were getting. Then they tell you its all a misunderstanding and for xxx amount of dollars we can get it for you my P.O. only uses stock number #xxxxx serial#xxxx. model la 513 includes 66" bucket with bolt on blade. only the bolt on blade is only shown with optional h/d bucket. 3130GST R/4 tires they could have brought me a harvest return
and said that what the contract says did you check to see that
the dealers stock # and the serial# matched the contract when you received your tractor. or the tractor you looked at the dealer is the same one you recived you should when you buy a tractor when you buy a car you usually drive the car home the same day. watch out and be safe

WW

P.S as more home owners buy tractors someday their might be a law. it just takes a few bad apples.

 

[_RaT_]

I got my tractor with more then I asked for. Spark arrestor and folding ROPS. My experience was quite the opposite of yours. Everything was clearly spelled out and there were no surprises.

 

[BRIGUY]

Car dealers used to do this crap. It didn't work. It made them look like the crooks that some of them are.

I only do business with people who quote me a price plus tax. The only exception to this in my Kubota purchase was the documentation fees. The dealer explained this to me several times up front before the deal took place.

We all know these costs exist But the bottom line is what is needed to compare prices.

 

[Dargo]

My comment only has to do with your 72" tiller. My 4310 I had wouldn't turn my 72" tiller in my heavy clay soil. I also had a JD 4600 and it was a gear drive tractor. Low gear in low range with the 72" tiller = stall or keep slipping the clutch. It takes the full 48hp PTO power of my L5030HSTC at slow speeds to do the job. Unless your soil is really loose and sandy I don't think you'll like your tiller.

 

[willywildes]

I'm no expert on tillers, butt when i went through tiller brochures some tillers of the same size needed different pto horse power. I asked a few questions about this and was told it depends on the number of flanges and gear reduction. I have used it to till in heavy clay to till about 1ac and tilled down to the rottor i did soak the ground first and waited a week and it had previously been disked with the d2. i use 1st gear GST and it will pull down in wet spots but it works great so far sure beets the troy bilt. I should add i did 3 passes lowering the skid shoe each time. Be safe

WW

 

[DannyD]

I think you got the bad and the ugly in one dealership. My last purchase I know for a fact I paid list, but they gave me alot more than what they are selling my old tractor in trade, almost what I paid. Looked good on paper, made no diff to me. When I got there to sign the papers, guess what, the figures matched what I was told they would be. The tractor had already been delivered 2 days before, I was in town and just stopped by to sign. I like this type of deal, I know the bottom line, they know I know it, and that is all I pay. All fees etc are ABOVE the bottom line.

Same thing on my truck, went in ask the price, trade etc, they put it on paper, we dealt to rounds, came back this much for the deal, and this much per month. In fact the actual payment is 2 dollars less than what they quoted.

I make no bones about it, when I walk in and am approached, I tell them I used to be in sales, know the game, won the game, and dont play anymore.

Cell phone, first time with this seller. I get it all done and he whips out this paper that is going to cost me like 7.00 a month and I have to do it to get service. I ask him why he did this in this manner. Told me something like that is how they want it done, get the sale then show them the small stuff. He kept the phone, and I ripped up the paperwork right there. Called his boss, who promptly fired him, sold me a phone and service at what was advertised, and has kept my business thru 3 phones for me, and several for the other 3 lines I have. Been with him for over 5 years now. He tells those that deal with me, shoot straight and truth only, no bs.

 

[willywildes]

talked to kubota today, after kubota said the dealer would be calling me to straighten this out. No call from dealer in over a week. called kubota back today said he talked to dealer after receiving my call yesterday. dealer said he wouldn't charge me
anything for used bucket. (what a nice guy) if it goes like everything else they have told me i should get the bill tomorrow. KUbota did say they dont get involved between customers and dealers and can"t help me anymore. They were kinda luke warm.

Be safe
WW
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