Watcha eating?

[txdon]

Dan and Don,
There are many risk factors for having a heart attack family history is just one of them. Also need to take into account Diet and Smoking as examples.
David

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David, are you saying that there could be just one factor involved (like diet) that could cause heart disease with no other factors?

Islandtractor - Good plan. Remember good timing requires good planing.

Watcha eating?

 

[DABSGT]

David, are you saying that there could be just one factor involved (like diet) that could cause heart disease with no other factors?

The best answer is yes. As an example I was 46 years old and had a heart attack, I wouldn't be enjoying tractor by net today or seeing my children grow up if I was not trained, also a paramedic and emergency medical instructor, I had the big one that they call the widow maker. The week before I had my yearly physical exam, great health, cholesterol low, Blood Pressure great, EKG good with no abnormalities. Biggest risk factors for me were smoking and family history. My dad passed at age 60 from a heart attack but had his first at age 55. His dad passed at 47 years old. Family history biggest factor for me,
AHA teaches that some of the risk factors are age, family history, diet, smoking and *** ( not to little or to much but male more than female)

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[DABSGT]

Don,

There a 3 risk factors you have no control over,
1) age
2) family history
3) ***.

So we need to watch those we can control like
diet,
smoking,
stress,
hypertension,
diabetes,

Prolonged periods of stress will cause your body to manufacture "bad" cholesterol as well as elevate blood pressure.

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[dmccarty]

"The study said if your parents had not had a heart attack by age 60 or 70, don't worry about having one." - Dan

You have got to be kidding! A study really said that? Can you reference it for me? Both my parents are in their mid 80's with no heart attacks. I would like to personally contact the person who wrote that.

"My family has problems with dementia. Almost all of my family has had some sort of mental diminishment in their old age." - Dan
They were just talking about diet and the brain here:
Alzheimer's: Lower your risk by eating right - CBS News Video

No, I can't reference it, the story was in the WSJ in 2012 maybe 2011.

The Doctors statement was based on the odds of someone having a heart attack based on family history. Odds not certainty. The odds of me having a heart attack based on my family history is close to zero but not zero. It could happen just like I could win the lottery. :laughing::laughing::laughing: His major point was at the opposite end of the scale. People with a family history of heart attacks, especially when the parents had an episode in their 30's, 40's and 50's, had much higher odds of having a heart attack. They published the odds but I don't remember the numbers. Doctors need to dig into the family history and if they find heart attacks then they need to be a bit more concerned that their patient is more likely to have an attack and the doctor needs to treat accordingly.

I am hoping diet helps with dementia. But so far, the family history is saying that Dan has close to a 100% chance of going to Dementia Land irregardless of diet. Good news is that it won't happen until I am in my 70s and I have quite few years before that time. :laughing: The family does not seem to get Alzheimer's but some other form of dementia. Course it could be just getting old, but whatever the name, Dementia Land is not a place I want to visit though I seem to have a ticket for entry. I have had grand parents and great grand parents who have eaten very well and very poorly. Diet did not help their dementia. My great grandfather lived into his late 80s or early 90s and he was one of the fattest people I have ever seen. He was of German heritage, and I think it is safe to say, that he ate a lot of fat and carbs. :laughing: He also smoked. I can remember my cousin and I buying Papaw cigars even though we were both teenagers. Great grand paw had health problems because of his weight but his mind lasted far longer than his wife's. Mentally, he was in better shape than other family members at that age. Go Figure. :confused3:

Much of this is a roll of the dice. Some rolls will be in one's favor, and others, not so much.

Later,
Dan

 

[DFB]

From NY Times today...interesting study on diet and heart disease

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/h...t-disease-study-finds.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

 

[mjarrels]

Know what is great! Being a adopted kid... absolutly no family history... roll of the dice for everything!

mark

 

[dmccarty]

The best answer is yes. As an example I was 46 years old and had a heart attack, I wouldn't be enjoying tractor by net today or seeing my children grow up if I was not trained, also a paramedic and emergency medical instructor, I had the big one that they call the widow maker. The week before I had my yearly physical exam, great health, cholesterol low, Blood Pressure great, EKG good with no abnormalities. Biggest risk factors for me were smoking and family history. My dad passed at age 60 from a heart attack but had his first at age 55. His dad passed at 47 years old. Family history biggest factor for me,
AHA teaches that some of the risk factors are age, family history, diet, smoking and *** ( not to little or to much but male more than female)

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I have a family member who died last year. Thankfully he married into the family so I don't share his genes. Previous generations in his family, as well as his siblings, died early in life from heart attacks. I don't think any/many reached 60 and I can remember him saying he would be doing well to get into his 60s. He was in his late 60s or early 70s when he died. He lived far longer than most/many in his family but he did not have much of a life. Ironically, I don't think he had heart problems. :confused3: But he had at least three battles with cancer, two of which he won. The cancers were not lung related which was rather surprising. He had smoked most of his life but he had stopped decades ago, unfortunately his wife still smoked and he got Emphysema from second hand smoke. His diet would certainly not be considered a good one either but he was not overweight at all. While he was not overweight, just the opposite in fact, his sisters were VERY overweight and unfortunately one of his kids has gone down that the fat path.

Then there are the out of no where health problems. I had a friend who died last year from ALS. He was diagnosed 5-6 years ago and he lived a bit longer than the average. Nobody really understands ALS so who knows why he caught it. The previous year another friend had a brain cancer and he died quickly. Sometimes the die roll is just a bad one...

Later,
Dan

 

[dmccarty]

Don,

...
Prolonged periods of stress will cause your body to manufacture "bad" cholesterol as well as elevate blood pressure.

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:laughing::laughing::laughing: There was a story in the WSJ this week or last about good and bad stress. They did a study about how people perceive stress and how this perception can make the stress bad or good. It really got down to how a person viewed the stress. I have found this to be true. My view on events can vastly change my stress level. It often is my choice on how to deal with stressful events and how I react. I worked with a guy for years who just could not deal with the job stresses. I and others tried to help him but he could not change they way he looked and reacted to events which really stressed him out. He ate a good diet, exercised, was not overweight, did not smoke, etc., which were all in his favor but he was and still is stressed out more than he should be.

I wish I had learned to deal with stress when I was younger. I have had jobs where I could feel my heart rate and blood pressure rise as I walked into the building...

Later,
Dan

 

[txdon]

From NY Times today...interesting study on diet and heart disease

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/h...t-disease-study-finds.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0

DFB this was not a good study because the control group, the one that the Mediterranean was compared to, the one that was said to be low fat was not - it was from 39 percent to 37 percent Fat (Table S7, appendix). Anything over 30% is in the danger high fat zone according to the AHA.

Anything over 10% fat is in the Danger zone for those with active plaque forming heart disease according to all the Cardiologist I have spoken with.

A quote from the article you referenced:

"Dr. Esselstyn said those in the Mediterranean diet study still had heart attacks and strokes. So, he said, all the study showed was that “the Mediterranean diet and the horrible control diet were able to create disease in people who otherwise did not have it.”"

I'm for a diet that stops heart disease. This study proved that the Mediterranean diet did not and actually cause heart disease and strokes, according to Dr. Esselstyn and the results of the study itself.

 

[herd0ne]

I took the kids to Steak and Shake tonight. We all left still hungry so we also got a dozen chicken wings from the Wal Mart hot foods dept. on the way home.

 

[jinman]

I took the kids to Steak and Shake tonight. We all left still hungry so we also got a dozen chicken wings from the Wal Mart hot foods dept. on the way home.

Don't you have a McDonalds close so you could also get a bag full of fries to go with the chicken wings? :laughing:

I keep fruit in the house all the time. I have apples, oranges, tangerines, bananas, and even "no sugar added" canned and frozen fruit. I just polished off a small Navel Orange, tangerine, and ripe banana for breakfast.:licking: When I get out of bed in the morning, I crave stuff like biscuits, sausage, and gravy. I force myself to eat fruit and find my appetite for greasy and high fat foods goes away. Actually, "force" is not the best word. I should say I choose to eat fruit. Eating right is as much about choice and habit as anything. I still have cravings for the wrong foods, but feeling healthy and fitting into my 'skinny' clothes is some really good positive feedback.

On the subject of heredity. My mother had terrible veins in her legs. She wore support hose, but in the summer she would always get open ulcers on her ankles from necrosis of the tissue as a result of poor circulation and fluid pooling. My oldest brother was over 400 lb, and had joint problems, but didn't have vein problems. My brother just 4 years older than me had blood clots and several pulmonary embolisms leading to a collapsed lung. He has circulation problems so bad that his legs never heal and has to have constant wound care. He ends up in the hospital almost yearly with infections. I was in the US Navy and had deep vein clots and vein stripping when I was 27 years old. The problems continued to re-occur and finally I was disability retired because of my problems. I can control my problems by keeping my weight around 200 lb. Last year when I was up around 265 lb, I quarter sized ulcers on both ankles. Dropping the weight has caused my ulcers to disappear. That's strong, strong, motivation to stay on my diet.

I also know that if I have a very bad cold, flu, or minor pneumonia (Is any pneumonia minor?), I can have problems with my heart. My heart attack that led to my having a stent occurred when I had a terrible time with pneumonia. When I get a cold, I try to head to the doctor before I get to the pneumonia state because I know what comes next. In many ways, my minor heart attack and my trouble with my veins keeps me ever-alert to my diet and overall health. I know what happens when I don't take care of myself.

 

[JDgreen227]

Jinman, I admire you for being able to resist the temptation of eating the wrong foods. Sad thing is, most of the stuff we consume that tastes the best is the worst for us nutrition and health wise. As for myself, the only way I can resist eating sugary stuff like cookies and candy, or salty processed snack foods is not to buy any of them in the first place. If I don't have the foods here, I cannot consume them. And as far as fast food goes: To my knowledge the last time I went to a fast food place (Mickey D's) was in early September of last year, I recall how shocked I was at the cost of two meals there and it wasn't anything fancy. I really enjoy eating well but sometimes it is hard to eat healthy at the same time.

You mention consuming a lot of fruit, so tell us, how do you get your protein intake? As for me, I try to concentrate on boneless, skinless chicken, ground chuck, frozen cod and perch fillets (unbreaded) canned beans, and tuna packed in water. I often wish more veggies had a high protein content. As much as I crave fast-food chicken strips or nuggets, I prepare my chicken strips at home, always baked and never fried. I must be doing something right because at age 61, I am within 15 pounds of my weight at age 21.

 

[txdon]

Congratulations JDgreen27. You have asked the #1 question, the most asked question, the first question that every meat eater ask anyone who eats very little or no meat. In fact I asked the same question. 2 years ago? Even my parents doctors ask me the same question. It is an incredibly important question most on people's mind. It is the one question that people will never understand the answer to and will disregard because it goes against everything they have been taught about nutrition.

In fact after 2 yeas of no meat or animal products(cheese/eggs) and no protein supplements my blood level protein results are exactly right in the middle of the normal range. How can this be????

There is only three explanations:
1. We are mutants.
2. We are aliens.
3. There is plenty of protein in fruit, grains, greens and vegetables.

I'm a Mutant, I don't know which explanation Jim will give.

 

[jinman]

They said I'd lose muscle tissue if I didn't eat lots of meat and proteins, but how much muscle tissue do you really need? I can lift a 50 lb bag of deer corn up to the feeder with one hand while standing in the bed of our Kawasaki Mule. Using both hands, I had no trouble moving 93 lb golf cart batteries recently. I can pick up big rounds of bucked firewood and toss it onto the splitter or on a pile. If anything, my problem is not strength as much as stamina. I think if I walked more, I'd get the stamina back, but my circulation problems don't get better with lots of walking. I have to have my weight low and approach walking very carefully to move into it slowly.

Unlike Don, I'm not anywhere near to being a vegetarian, but my intake of red meats is almost nil, and I don't eat eggs anymore than once every 6 months. I eat low-fat low-sodium soups with some chicken, and I eat mostly salads with roasted chicken when I go out. My local Mexican food restaurant has a roasted chicken chipotle salad with lettuce, tomato, avocado, roasted chicken with chipotle sauce, and a small amount of crumbled feta cheese on top.:licking: I also love every kind of bean on the planet and keep the Beano company solvent with my purchases. Earlier this week, my wife fixed both eggplant and chicken parmigiana with a baked instead of fried recipe. The chicken had crumbled cornflakes for the breading. Actually, I preferred the eggplant. Its flavors and textures are far more interesting than the chicken. Don't get me wrong. The chicken was good and I had some, but not nearly as much as the eggplant. Eating that was a big splurge for me. Mostly, I eat fruit, beans, and soups. Those are my staples.

So, unlike Don, I'm not a mutant. I'm just the guy who could be happy eating almost the same diet during the week and the same dish every time I go out to eat. I do admit that the salad bar at Golden Corral is a favorite, but I average maybe once every 6 months there. My biggest money and calorie saver is not eating any fast food. Rather than get an Egg McMuffin at McDonalds for $3, I'll heat up a Jimmy Dean Delight at home for $1 and have egg white and turkey sausage that's around 250 calories. The cost of eating fast food is more than many healthy meals in a sit-down restaurant.

Next week, I go for my annual physical and blood test. I will bet that my cholesterol is extremely low and my blood sugar low. I do take cholesterol meds, but I don't rely on them to do 100% of the work. In my opinion, the key to healthy eating is to eat the right things 90% of the time and splurge 10% or less. Unfortunately, the diets of most people in this fast-paced world are just the opposite. Also, people who are thin are not necessarily healthy. Don is one of those folks who looked terrific and exercised regularly. He still had a heart attack. For him, he needed to make extreme changes to his diet. I suspect we all could benefit from his diet. I'd bet he still eats plenty and doesn't go hungry. He just won't buy the 'stuff' the food industry is trying to sell us.:thumbsup:

 

[econometrics]

Bout to go get me some Chick-Fil-A! :cool2:

 

[mjarrels]

My wife was born and raised in the Philippines... now a US Citizen (yes can legally be done). Just fixed her a grilled cheese sandwich, who would have thought she would eat a grilled cheese without rice?

mark

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Mexican restaurant "Cantina Burger" with jalapenos and bacon and 2 pattys.

:licking:

David

 

[whistlepig]

Just put some chicken wings in the smoker.

 

[JDgreen227]

Just put some chicken wings in the smoker.

WP, not to be critical of your choice but I for one have never understood the appeal of chicken wings. To parody Clara Peller: "Where's the meat?" Unless of course, you are referring to boneless chicken wings... but to me a real chicken wing is mostly skin and bones.

 

[whistlepig]

Eating a chicken wing without the bone would be like eating corn on the cob without the cob.