Welded A 2 5/16 ball to hitch for goosneck trailer

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There's a lot of unanswered questions in regards to that broken ball. What process was used to weld it, what type of filler metal, what type of steel was the ball, etc.? It's scary that there are no standards or certifications required for lighter duty trailer hitches and accessories. The better hitches are engineered and certified to a specific capacity. These welded balls have absolutely nothing. A small trailer coming off on the highway is just as dangerous as a big one coming off.
 
   / Welded A 2 5/16 ball to hitch for goosneck trailer #52  
I'm at work, just took some pictures of the hitch i welded the ball onto i will post pictures of the factory welds when i get home if you want. (tube to plate weld)
 
   / Welded A 2 5/16 ball to hitch for goosneck trailer #53  
There's a lot of unanswered questions in regards to that broken ball. What process was used to weld it, what type of filler metal, what type of steel was the ball, etc.?

Exactly! The cover pass may look good but that doesn't mean it is a STRONG weld.
 
   / Welded A 2 5/16 ball to hitch for goosneck trailer
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I was on garage journal and I love what someone said about welding the ball on flush being a poor design even if it was done by a pro. I still wouldn't want to rely on just the weld holding that ball on with all the force a trailer will put on the ball.

There needs to be something else taking the force and not just the welds around the ball and it sitting flush. If I ever had a need again to weld a ball to a hitch without the shank I'd drill the hole out for the size of the ball and slide the ball through the hole and then weld both the top and bottom. But I'm not gonna attempt that until I get better at welding.

For now I'll just practice welding hitch balls on things such as garden tractors that won't see the highway. A ball breaking off on a garden tractor pulling a little trailer around the yard will hopefully only be an inconvenience and not a deadly incident.

Once again. I'll still use this hitch I made for now. But only to move the trailer around our yard and on our private road. This hitch will never see the public roads again as after reading the post below I have to agree that having the ball on flush is a poor design even if the welds are done correctly.

If I were to weld 2 square tubes together I'd add gusseting. I even added gusseting to the channel iron that I made the loader mounts with for my garden tractor. I didn't want to just rely on those welds holding channel iron together. So why in the he double hockey sticks I thought it was a good idea to just rely on the welds for this ball I don't know.

But now I know it's not a good idea and especially after seeing that broken hitch.

I don't recommend anyone welding up the ball like I did. As it is indeed a poor design. Even if you can do code quality welds. The ball needs to either have the shank still on it to take the force or at least cut the hole for the weldable ball and sit the ball down into the hole and then weld it so the ball will help with the force.

Don't do like I did and rely just on the weld to take the force. I did a big no no.

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In my opinion, this is a truly poor design for towing even if the welds are done correctly. Here's why...

Having the ball simply sitting flush on the surface of the ball mount and being connected only by the weld around the perimeter of the ball may not provide sufficient strength to withstand the shear stress and torque placed on it when pulling the trailer. Additionally, it is incapable of absorbing the tremendous shock loading caused by the trailer slamming back and forth into it. This causes the weld itself to be the "weak link" in the whole chain. This is one reason why most ball mounts are made of rather thick plate steel that is drilled through to accept a ball that has a shaft that extends through the plate. This design relies on the shaft strength rather than the welds.

The shaft and ball are probably constructed from one solid forging and are designed so that the shaft itself is large enough to withstand the forces involved. This design usually has a threaded shaft and nut to hold the ball in place but some types are welded around the perimeter of the ball as well as at the bottom of the shaft. In either case the forces are transmitted through the ball and shaft to the ball mount and do not rely on the weld strength to any significant degree.

Chad
 
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By the way. I welded the hitch on my fifth wheel trailer. But I only did that to keep the bolts from working loose.

I actually lost 2 of the back ones and the hitch was pulling out. I noticed something didn't feel right. I didn't like what I saw when I looked out the back window to see my hitch coming undone. That's why I decided to bolt it back up and then add some welds to keep it from working loose.

I kept tightening the bolts on the adjustable fifth wheel hitch and they kept coming loose. I have no need to remove it or adjust it so I just added some welds to the back and front.

The welds are more there to keep the hitch from moving back and forth and loosening the bolts.

These pics aren't all that great. I welded the hitch to prevent it working back and forth so although I'm working on getting a quality weld I't's not really required for this hitch as the bolts are doing the main holding. Now that I've welded it the bolts aren't coming loose.

I think they should've used some locknuts instead of just regular nuts. If I had locknuts on it the bolts would've stayed tight. In which case I think I'll still get some locknuts.

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   / Welded A 2 5/16 ball to hitch for goosneck trailer
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I want to let everyone know that once I get the new hitch made with the ball bolted on I'll be cutting the current hitch into and then cutting the ball in half before sending the ball to the scrap yard.

I'm gonna destroy the ball so it can never be used by anyone else. I know that it'll probably never get used by anyone else once it hits the scrap yard if I left the ball whole. But I want to make darn sure of that. So when I get the new hitch made I'm gonna cut the ball in half preventing use of the ball anymore.

Chad
 
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If you used a good quality ball and the proper techniques, the weld would be stronger than if it was bolted on. An inch of weld can hold 7000 lbs. A weld around the ball is over 6" of weld. I bet if Shield Arc welded a ball on, the tubing would rip apart before the weld let go. I'm not suggested balls should be welded on... just saying. We don't know anything about that broken ball other than that it broke.
 
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If you used a good quality ball and the proper techniques, the weld would be stronger than if it was bolted on. An inch of weld can hold 7000 lbs. A weld around the ball is over 6" of weld. I bet if Shield Arc welded a ball on, the tubing would rip apart before the weld let go. I'm not suggested balls should be welded on... just saying. We don't know anything about that broken ball other than that it broke.

I bet it would. Shield Arc's a fantastic welder.

If I would've gotten a ball that was specifically for welding and used the correct rod and amperage settings and could lay a great bead It would probably be alright sitting flush. I've been looking at A rod chart for the size of metal used and I'd say the 1/8" rod was the wrong rod for me to use on this 1/2" thick steel and the ball.

It's actually a great thing that I posted this thread with the badly welded on ball. Since I've learned from it and hopefully others will too.

Please use the correct rod, amperage settings and technique when welding anything critical and if in doubt don't attempt it like I did.

I've learned a lot from this thread. I won't attempt anything critical like this again until I have the knowledge and correct tools to do the job properly.

I'm also gonna print out the chart I found and will keep it near my welder. And I'm gonna purchase and keep on hand more sizes of welding electrodes so I can use the correct rod for the job.

Even still I don't like the ball sitting flush and the weld the only thing taking the force. I think I'd at least have the shank sitting in the hole or part of the ball itself.

Chad
 
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Chad, the 1/8" electrodes would be fine for welding 1/2". A larger electrode will make the weld go faster though. The largest I ever use are 5/32", if you use smaller electrodes you need to pay more attention to joint prep and welding technique so that you get the penetration and fusion that you need.
 
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Chad, the 1/8" electrodes would be fine for welding 1/2". A larger electrode will make the weld go faster though. The largest I ever use are 5/32", if you use smaller electrodes you need to pay more attention to joint prep and welding technique so that you get the penetration and fusion that you need.

Good to know. Thanks.

Chad

Check out these welds. :) No it's not mine. I didn't do these welds. I can do better. But when I was first starting out with my 110Volt arc welder they looked as bad or worse. I welded a little trailer for my brother when I was first starting out with my 110 volt machine around 5 years ago and the welds are awful on that.

Although my welds on the ball are awful. The welds on the lawn tractor trailer are worse. I need to get a pic before I go over and redo my brothers trailer which he never put to use. lol

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