Welded and now it won't start.

   / Welded and now it won't start. #31  
Not saying you're wrong, but how did you come to the conclusion that welding fried the computer?

I was taught to unhook the battery too, but unhooking all of the control modules? Do you know where those things are in some cars? Half the dash would have to come out in some cars and trucks. Some cars have comfort control modules under the carpet of the driver's seat.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #32  
A resistive cable end can show a good 12 volts until there is a load. Sears Service used Motorola Micor 2 Way radios. Two or three days after a rain several vans would come by for service. No transmit. Many of the vans leaked water and the jute padding under the floor mat would get soaked. The Micor used 2 power leads (plus a heavy 30 amp circuit for the power amplifier). The ign sense wire enabled the radio transmitter. Invariably there would be a butt connector crimp splice under the floor mat. There was enough power to run the receiver but when the transmitter was keyed the transmit enable lead would drop to 3 or 4 volts under load due to electrolysis in the wet butt connector. New splice - tape and seal against moisture and away she went. Also aluminum power taps onto a copper battery cable would do similar on the 30 amp circuit.

Don't let a 'good' voltage reading deceive you. Of course there may be other problems, but I would sure look for cable end / loose connections first. Again best luck to you, steve

I have to second this. My tractor showed good voltage at the starter even with a 500 ohm resistance in the positive cable.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #33  
A little off subject, but if you are replacing a car's computer or sensitive electronics you're supposed to wear a "wrist strap" to ground out any possible static electricity.
Can you get by without it? Sure, most of the time, but there is always that chance, you just have to decide if it's worth the risk.
Same with unhooking a batt.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #34  
to all of you who say "i've done it thousands of times and never had a problem".... Well - I used to work in a roll-back making shop and have personally seen a computer get fried on a '99 Chevy truck by someone welding on the frame without disconnecting the battery.

The shop had to buy a new computer. I sure would have been cheaper to unhook the battery.

By all means, be my guest, and unhook the battery.

Keep in mind, computers do not only fry, after someone welds on the vehicle.

I had a friend who recently drove a vehicle on the alignment rack, and aligned the front end. The vehicle would not start when he went to drive it off. The conclusion should be then, the alignment rack damaged the computer.

Lots of people, are absolutely certain, about lots of things, that they are not always verifiable.

Maybe the welder did fry the computer on your particular truck. Maybe there was something wrong with the welding machine. Maybe it also did something to the OP's tractor, I don't know.

I can say for certain, in thousands of times, I have not seen it happen, even once, and that is verifiable.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #35  
If the weather is wet/moist and you parked in a warm barn you may have a bit of condensation in your wires and connections.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #36  
A little off subject, but if you are replacing a car's computer or sensitive electronics you're supposed to wear a "wrist strap" to ground out any possible static electricity.
Can you get by without it? Sure, most of the time, but there is always that chance, you just have to decide if it's worth the risk.
Same with unhooking a batt.

Chrysler Australia spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out why their distributor pick up modules and their black boxes were faulty from new . They would be purchased from dealer ships and returned as faulty . It was discovered , the Nylon carpet in the spare parts departments was causing a build up of static electricity in the parts persons body as they walked and the charge dissipated into the parts when picked up . The carpets were changed and the problem never returned .
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #37  
I know I've posted this before in other "fry the computer" threads. Some manaufacturers DO recommend disconnecting the ECU as well as the battery which virtually all if not all manufacturers recommend.
Another thing for all those who say they've never damaged a ECU by welding- you just don't know.
Semiconductor junctions can be partially "blown". Just because the vehicle runs right after welding doesn't mean the ECU won't fail months later because you weakened a semiconductor junction by prior welding. Another little electrical disturbance come along and finishes it off, the owner never realizing it failed because Joe the lazy mechanic welded on his vehicle months ago without following Best Practices.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #38  
you just don't know.

Right, you don't know. Circumstantial evidence is not proof, unless it happens often enough, to rule out the possibility of it being a random occurrence.

Anyone who has ever been in the auto body repair business can tell you, that your "married" to every vehicle you repair.

The slightest noise, vibration, or running issue, and then vehicle is back at your shop, with the customer insisting that it was caused by the accident. They really want to believe this, because they feel it will be a covered by insurance, and no cost repair for them. So, the particular problem, amount of time, and circumstances don't ever matter, you still hear about it.

We also had a large percentage of repeat customers, whom we often knew rather well. They always wanted to talk about their cars. And we also made follow up calls, to check with customers to verify everything was okay.

You can't imagine how many unrelated, worn out parts, I have replaced over the years, often at our expense, to satisfy customers.

None of the above has ever involved the suspicion, or replacement, of a defective computer.

The reason we did not, as a rule, disconnect a customers battery, was NOT because we were lazy. We found they did not appreciate losing their ratio station presets, and clock setting. Years ago, many vehicles had radio's with strange clock setting procedures, that occasionally required a lot of wasted time, trying to figure them out, after disgruntled customers could not.

This decision to not disconnect, was made above my pay grade, and there never was any evidence that it had caused any problems.

I am not suggesting that people do not disconnect the battery, or that a welder cannot somehow damage a computer. I am trying, now in vane, to show that computers, and or electrical problems, as a result of not disconnecting the battery, before welding, was not a problem, in a very large sample, for us.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start. #39  
...The carpets were changed and the problem never returned .

THAT is fascinating!

Whoever did the detective work to identify the root cause of that problem was either really good or really lucky.
 
   / Welded and now it won't start.
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#40  
It was the ignition switch.
I traced power to the key switch but it did not come out when the key was turned.
I sprayed it with some Kroil and worked it forward and backwards a few times and I got power to the glow plug leads when turned to that position. So I sprayed it again went and had lunch and when I came back it works fine.

I don't think the welding had anything to do with it. The only thing I could maybe relate to the welding is the welding feild could maybe have speed up corosion if there was water in the switch through some sort of electrolysis. Maybe? (probably Not)

I am going with just a coincidence.

Thanks for all the input and help guys.
 

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