Welding supply store

[PILOON]

Seems to be the same here in Canada. (in the dozen or so dealers I visited over a decade)
Must be a very boring job as they all seem to be asleep, about the only way to get attention is to look at the most expensive unit on display, then maybe sometimes they respond.
It is a highly regulated business so competition is simply not there.

Mind U regulations aside there seems to be loopholes as there always seems to somebody peddling filled tanks out of the back of a truck. I suspect that rather than scrap outdated/tested tanks they get that 'last fill' at probably lower pressures and peddled by (probably) an employee after hours.
Reason I suspect this to be is that U never pick up and delivery is always after hours with no empty pickups.
Leads me to suspect that somehow the facilities don't have accurate means of monitoring gas volumes stored.
(Like maybe BBQ propane tanks are by guess and by golly)

 

[PJSprog]

There is a chain store place with a few locations around our area. The one closest to me says they are open Mon-Sat 7:30-4:30. I've been there twice on Saturdays and they were closed both times. So yeah, I'm thinking they aren't really geared towards the hobby/weekend welder, just based on their hours of operation alone.

 

[joeu235]

Our local store has a huge displays of crappy welding accessories so they can't be geared totally towards corporations. I find this especially odd since it makes sense for me to buy things like welding gloves online but to buy heavy consumables locally.

I also find it odd that the counter guy didn't know what duel shield MIG was.

 

[Arc weld]

Our local store has a huge displays of crappy welding accessories so they can't be geared totally towards corporations. I find this especially odd since it makes sense for me to buy things like welding gloves online but to buy heavy consumables locally.

I also find it odd that the counter guy didn't know what duel shield MIG was.

I find it odd that YOU don't know what dual shield is. The counter guy was correct, it is flux-core, dual shielding from the flux in the wire and from an external shielding gas. Flux-core also comes in self-shielded but Mig generally refers to solid wire that only uses external shielding gas. So in essence there is no such thing as dual shield mig wire. Dual Shield is actually an Esab term but is commonly used when referring to gas shielded flux-core wire. The T in the E71T- classification stands for tubular which means it is hollow so flux can be put in it. Standard Mig wire is ER70S-. The R means rod or wire and the S means solid. Tig rod will also use ER70S- so sometimes you have to specify if you want Mig wire or Tig rod.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...Shielded-Outershield-Outershield71M/c3101.pdf

 

[dragoneggs]

I also find it odd that the counter guy didn't know what duel shield MIG was.

I find it odd that YOU don't know what dual shield is. The counter guy was correct, it is flux-core, dual shielding from the flux in the wire and from an external shielding gas. Flux-core also comes in self-shielded but Mig generally refers to solid wire that only uses external shielding gas. So in essence there is no such thing as dual shield mig wire. Dual Shield is actually an Esab term but is commonly used when referring to gas shielded flux-core wire. The T in the E71T- classification stands for tubular which means it is hollow so flux can be put in it. Standard Mig wire is ER70S-. The R means rod or wire and the S means solid. Tig rod will also use ER70S- so sometimes you have to specify if you want Mig wire or Tig rod.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...Shielded-Outershield-Outershield71M/c3101.pdf

Good info, Arc... but why the harsh response toward joeu? While you are technically correct, isn't it commonly referred to as dual shield? Kind of like Kleenex vs. tissues? Most everyone knows what is being talked about.

 

[Oldpath05]

I usually get my .030 70s6 wire of ebay along with the tips and barrels, better price and more covenant since my welding stores are 30+ mi away, Great deals from WeldingCity in ER7S-6-2-Lb-Spools- | eBay Stores It is nice going to a specialty store like a welding store and get more than I dont know, but then at the same time who can know everything about welding with stick, tig, mig, pulse, and all the metals that can be welded with those processes.

I've only been using 71T flux core for 30 years and never did know that the T stood for Tubular. As far 70s S for solid, that can be misleading at times at the shipyard there 70s but is is also cored wire for pulse arc welding, it looks like flux core wire but welds like solid wire with the silica on top of the weld beads but it's not solid wire.

 

[joeu235]

I find it odd that YOU don't know what dual shield is. The counter guy was correct, it is flux-core, dual shielding from the flux in the wire and from an external shielding gas. Flux-core also comes in self-shielded but Mig generally refers to solid wire that only uses external shielding gas. So in essence there is no such thing as dual shield mig wire. Dual Shield is actually an Esab term but is commonly used when referring to gas shielded flux-core wire. The T in the E71T- classification stands for tubular which means it is hollow so flux can be put in it. Standard Mig wire is ER70S-. The R means rod or wire and the S means solid. Tig rod will also use ER70S- so sometimes you have to specify if you want Mig wire or Tig rod.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...Shielded-Outershield-Outershield71M/c3101.pdf

You should re read my original post

"OK, I also need some "Outershield 71M MIG wire"
"Do you mean flux core?"
"No, duel shield wire"

If I wanted what is commonly known as flux core, I would have asked for Innershield.

 

[Arc weld]

I wasn't trying to be harsh but you were calling out the counter guy when he was trying to figure out what you wanted. He may have been confused because you mentioned Outershield 71M (and) MIG wire in the same sentence. Outershield 71M is not commonly referred to as Mig wire. It is dual shielded flux-core wire and commonly known as flux core or dual shield in the industry and way more common than Innershield. Innershield is commonly known as Innershield but is also flux-cored wire. I think a lot of people using small wire feed machines refer to Innershield as flux-core not realizing there are many different types of flux-core wire both gas shielded and self-shielded.

There are a lot of people working in welding supplies that don't have a clue but before you call them out make sure you're not giving them conflicting information. That's all I was trying point out. There is also metal cored wire that is designated E70C for cored wire that is a basically a different type of flux-core wire. Hardfacing is another type of flux-core.

 

[Arc weld]

I usually get my .030 70s6 wire of ebay along with the tips and barrels, better price and more covenant since my welding stores are 30+ mi away, Great deals from WeldingCity in ER7S-6-2-Lb-Spools- | eBay Stores It is nice going to a specialty store like a welding store and get more than I dont know, but then at the same time who can know everything about welding with stick, tig, mig, pulse, and all the metals that can be welded with those processes.

I've only been using 71T flux core for 30 years and never did know that the T stood for Tubular. As far 70s S for solid, that can be misleading at times at the shipyard there 70s but is is also cored wire for pulse arc welding, it looks like flux core wire but welds like solid wire with the silica on top of the weld beads but it's not solid wire.

The 70S wire is solid but has silicon and other deoxidizers in the wire. The S-3, S-6 etc. indicate how much deoxiders are in the wire. S-6 is the most common but leaves larger silicon deposits on the weld. For some applications this isn't desirable so an S-3 or an S-2 with less silicon will be specified. ER70S-2 is common for Tig rod. Tig doesn't require as much deoxidizers and is usually done on very clean steel. Metal core is like solid wire on steroids. No slag to chip off like regular flux-core but higher deposition rates than 70S solid wire. Metal core can have silicon pockets on the weld. It sounds like this could be what the shipyard was using. It is 70C wire.

 

[tkevan]

I find it odd that YOU don't know what dual shield is. The counter guy was correct, it is flux-core, dual shielding from the flux in the wire and from an external shielding gas. Flux-core also comes in self-shielded but Mig generally refers to solid wire that only uses external shielding gas. So in essence there is no such thing as dual shield mig wire. Dual Shield is actually an Esab term but is commonly used when referring to gas shielded flux-core wire. The T in the E71T- classification stands for tubular which means it is hollow so flux can be put in it. Standard Mig wire is ER70S-. The R means rod or wire and the S means solid. Tig rod will also use ER70S- so sometimes you have to specify if you want Mig wire or Tig rod.

http://www.lincolnelectric.com/asse...Shielded-Outershield-Outershield71M/c3101.pdf

The OP used both OuterShield(Lincoln) and DualShield(Esab). The counter guy, if he was "right" would have went to get a roll of Gas-shielded Flux core, of whatever make, not give him a confused look. Likely, if the OP had said "yes" to the Flux core comment, he would have received a roll of SS-Flux core, not a GS-Flux core.