Welding up shooting targets?

   / Welding up shooting targets? #41  
You are probably aware that the gun control laws in Australia are a lot tougher, and as a result there is a lot less gun ownership and therefore a lot less awareness / knowledge about guns and what they can do.

(I have been a shooter most of my life and a target shooter for the last 40 years - 308s out to 1000 yards, what I think is called Palma Style in the US).

My local gun club was used as a site to do the shooting bits of a documentary on the 1880s bushranger Ned Kelly. (You will find plenty of stuff about him using Google. One man's police-murdering-outlaw is another man's cruelly-oppressed-freedom-fighter)! Anyway, he is famous for his suit of armour made out of plough shears and his "last stand" where he and the police shot it out.

They had some re-enactment guys blast away at a replica armour with a shotgun, a 45 black powder pistol and black powder breech loading 45/70 ? rifle. Apart from these "expert shots" having trouble hitting it from 50 yards, they only put a couple of minor dents in the plate.

The director of this documentary wanted to find out how Ned's armour would go against a modern weapon. The feeling around the crew (mainly city people) seemed to be that a modern bullet would knock him over like a big hammer blow.

Anyway they set up a 18" X 18" piece of 3/8 mild steel and asked me to hit it from 50 yards. They seemed to think that it would be bounced backward downrange. I told them 50 yards was too close because of possible splash back and went back to 100 yards.
They found it hard to believe something that small could be hit from that far back!! (I had more trouble trying to work out a sight setting to hit something that close)!

Anyway, when I fired, there was a cloud of dust and the plate didn't move an inch. Most of them thought I had missed it. Of course it had drilled a neat hole through the mild steel and definitely would have given poor old Ned a bad case of indigestion.

The general public, here anyway, simply have no idea of the power of a modern centrefire firearm.
 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #42  
The general public, here anyway, simply have no idea of the power of a modern centerfire firearm.

The general public here has very little knowledge of firearms either. Most firearms and ammunition lore is learned from watching crime dramas on TV. Very few of them have any accurate depiction of firearms at all. And then there is "literary license" or whatever the producers call it that distorts any semblance of reality. We probably have more knowledgeable people here than down under, because more people shoot here, but actual shooters still make up a small (but growing) percentage of the population. And many of these new shooters are just getting into the shooting sports, with defensive handguns probably predominating.

Thanks for your story on the Ned Kelly armour. :thumbsup:
 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #44  
Well there goes my idea about hiding behind 1/2 sheet rock. :D

Your going to be in a world of hurt with any beyond a rubber band shooter.:)
 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #45  
.50BMG versus steel at short range (100-200yds)....you want to be farther away with something this powerful!

 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #46  
You also want to shoot at steel that is smooth, no hole/divots/craters/etc. Mounted at an angle to help deflect everything downwards below the metal plate. Able to swing freely helps too... :)
 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #47  
Well there goes my idea about hiding behind 1/2 sheet rock. :D
I have some 44 magnum shells designed NOT to shoot through a wall. The idea is not to harm other family members if you were forced to fire at a home invader. But yeah you would be in a word of hurt with a normal round.
 
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   / Welding up shooting targets? #48  
Ar500 is the best choice but I built a tree out of 2" tubing and hung 3/4" plates on a solid rod so they can swing. Zero damage from pistol rounds up to .45acp unless you clip the extreme edge. I made the mistake of running some 5.56 at and it and it dinged it up much worse than I would've thought. Only shot one Mag before realizing it was no Bueno. A few days later I went out to shoot a .45 and the round found the crater and I got fragged pretty good. Still have some in the abdomen and chest. I usually throw on my 3a vest when shooting steel but complacency got me. Steel is a blast to shoot. If you can't afford the ar500 use extreme caution with a36. I'll get some pics of my setup

Brett
 
   / Welding up shooting targets? #49  
Got a pic for the do it yourself crowd. Like most of my projects, I shot from the hip but am happy with the results. It's dynamic and besides that previous incident seems reasonably safe. There's a distinct line where the frags are directed. I have yet to hit the frame but some friends were not so considerate. I welded the angle on as a way to protect the frame but in addition to doing that, it directs the frags. Gives you a bit of a safety cone as long as you stay in it

Brett

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   / Welding up shooting targets? #50  
If it takes 3/4 inch steel to stop a .308,

Only if it's mild steel. 3/8" AR 500 will not be hurt by a 300 win mag at 100 yds (as close as you should be shooting a rifle at steel.

If your shooting steel that craters sooner or later it will send something back at you, the surface needs to stay flat.

You can see the difference in this high speed video. Mild steel plate sending stuff back at the beginning and around 7:30 in is AR 500 and lead splatter going radially parallel with the plate.

 

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