Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later

   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #21  
Sold my 1997 F Super Duty 7.3 bucket truck last winter. Replaced with a 2001 F450 bucket truck with V10 gasser. The 7.3 ran great and had a DP Tuner chip, upgraded intake and down pipe but still seemed like I was starting out in high gear when trying to pull a trailer up a grade from a standstill. The V10 has no such issues. Step on pedal, truck pulls away like nothing is behind it. Mileage slightly lower with the gasser, but fuel is much cheaper as stated. Lower maintenance costs too.
Yes! and there is some in the industry that are saying the days of the diesel engine are numbered. Too costly to meet emissions regulations and the maintenance costs are much higher now. Cummins does have a gasoline engine never thought I would see those days, A Cummins Gasoline Engine? - Diesel Progress - July 2014 Granted its small, but cummins has many Westport CNG engine options, in the larger HP range.
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #22  
But Cummins really is taking advantage of some serious stuff. The 2.8L Cummins inline motor is designed around E85. The E85 allows for much higher compression ratios that are further boosted via turbocharging. E85 has a substantially higher octane rating than even premium, and the ethanol actually cools the combustion chamber as it is injected, further preventing pre-ignition. That Cummins 2.8L puts out equivalent power to the 5.7L Hemi motor.

Ricardo, a GM partner, has taken it even further. They took the 3.2L GM V6, really beefed up the guts, using extreme boosting via turbocharging, and feed it E85. The results thus far are equal power in both HP and torque to the 6.6L Duramax Diesel. It has been in testing in some 3500HD pickups. It can also use lower octane E10, but the computer adjusts accordingly and power output is substantially reduced.

And both of these motors need nothing more than catalytic converter style emissions stuff that regular gasoline engines use.

What is sad is going thru injectors so much. I took a Cummins N-14 to 1.4 million miles and all it got was one, count it, ONE, injector. A Cummins ISX, 968,000 and no replaced injectors. My current factory rebuilt Detroit Series 60 has 425,000 miles on the rebuild and no injectors needing replaced. What is going on with these smaller diesels in the pickups that they are eating injectors? The VM 2.8L diesel in my Jeep Liberty hasn't even needed a replaced injector in the cumulative 150,000 miles that I owned it and now my son has it.
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #23  
I just sold one of my dad's older tractors to a young man. His tow vehicle was an 02 F250 with 405k miles and he was on the original injectors. He told me that the #7 injector was going to need replacement soon so he was going to replace them all. The truck was an absolute 10 condition wise. Total stock 7.3.

Our church has an 03 F 450 25 passenger turtle top with 180k on a stock and to my knowledge no injectors have ever been replaced.

In these two instances I think it was a combination of good maintenance, good luck, and keeping those engines stock that lead to long injector life.
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #24  
I just sold one of my dad's older tractors to a young man. His tow vehicle was an 02 F250 with 405k miles and he was on the original injectors. He told me that the #7 injector was going to need replacement soon so he was going to replace them all. The truck was an absolute 10 condition wise. Total stock 7.3.

Our church has an 03 F 450 25 passenger turtle top with 180k on a stock and to my knowledge no injectors have ever been replaced.

In these two instances I think it was a combination of good maintenance, good luck, and keeping those engines stock that lead to long injector life.

I have a 2000 F250 7.3 diesel w/ 356,000 miles and still on original injectors.
John
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #25  
yeah, I think you are right. Keeping things pretty much stock combined with proper maintenance and driving it properly as it was intended makes the difference. And on that maintenance front, making sure clean, fresh fuel only is put in and filter monitoring is done. Water and particulates will kill injectors pretty quickly. Even more so on the common rail designs now.
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #26  
But Cummins really is taking advantage of some serious stuff. The 2.8L Cummins inline motor is designed around E85. The E85 allows for much higher compression ratios that are further boosted via turbocharging. E85 has a substantially higher octane rating than even premium, and the ethanol actually cools the combustion chamber as it is injected, further preventing pre-ignition. That Cummins 2.8L puts out equivalent power to the 5.7L Hemi motor. Ricardo, a GM partner, has taken it even further. They took the 3.2L GM V6, really beefed up the guts, using extreme boosting via turbocharging, and feed it E85. The results thus far are equal power in both HP and torque to the 6.6L Duramax Diesel. It has been in testing in some 3500HD pickups. It can also use lower octane E10, but the computer adjusts accordingly and power output is substantially reduced. And both of these motors need nothing more than catalytic converter style emissions stuff that regular gasoline engines use. What is sad is going thru injectors so much. I took a Cummins N-14 to 1.4 million miles and all it got was one, count it, ONE, injector. A Cummins ISX, 968,000 and no replaced injectors. My current factory rebuilt Detroit Series 60 has 425,000 miles on the rebuild and no injectors needing replaced. What is going on with these smaller diesels in the pickups that they are eating injectors? The VM 2.8L diesel in my Jeep Liberty hasn't even needed a replaced injector in the cumulative 150,000 miles that I owned it and now my son has it.

When these motors are perfected they will make E85 a viable fuel and this will give the diesels a run.

Chris
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #27  
My 02 lb7 I went through 3 sets. Other then that the motor was great. Got close to 300,000 before sold it. Keep that truck as long as you can. The new trucks are junk all brands.
 
   / Well, I guess it had to happen sooner or later #28  
I do believe we are not necessarily comparing apples and apples anymore. The engines above that are failing injectors are newer and are what is know as high pressure common rail. The older engines that are lasting forever are of a much lower pressure. Also, tier 4 is a standard that the engine manufacturers have to meet. How the individual engine manufactures get to that standard is up to them. For a while there they ran older system slapped on DPF and the like, then they went to common rail, got better control of combustion, then not needing as much of that stuff. Now you have to ask yourself are the tractors like mahindra in for the same issues as the newer trucks? Very similar injection system, I think. So, all those guys that have the tractors with DPF might be ahead of the game. You can possible delete/remove the DPF, not going to be able to do that with common rail. New Holland used to use Cummins engines in there tractors, may still, I maintain it won't be long before there is a gaseous engine option for your mid to large tractor.
 

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