well project

[rambler]

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so reading between the lines, its going to be hard work to hand pressurize the system. i may look into putting a pump outside like my grandma had on her farm, that was a lot of fun when i was a kid. I guess i have to do my measuring first to see how far down the water is.
thanks all for posting
forgeblast
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Some of your messages lead me to say......

You do realize their hand pump also needs to be outside, directly above the well pipe???? You can't mount the pump inside the house.

There are 2 types of hand pump - the pitcher pump that can suck water up, at best, 25 feet (more likely 12 feet....). This depends on leathers that need water to prime them (old style) or some newer materieals that need less priming. These can have a bit more volume of water. They don't work in very cold weather, kinda open top plan with them, freeze. No real pressure with these.

Then there is the pump like in your web site, which runs a rod straight down the inside of the pipe going down to your water level - like 300 feet. Every time you pump the lever, the rod pulls a little tiny bit of water up through a check valve. If you pump the lever so the rod moves 10 inches, and the water pipe going down is 1 inch around, and you have to subtract the diameter of the rod - you have about a cup of water for each pump stroke......

My mom grew up in the Depression years, she talked about pumping enough water for the horses. She & 2 siblings (out of the 16) would take turns pumping, would take an hour every afternoon.

If you want a hand pump for emergency use, think _emergency needs_, not living like we do with electricity. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif You will be too tired after pumping by hand, to bother taking a bath or 2. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The solar pump will only deliver a low volume of water, but will fill a cistern (or other big tank) by pumping a trickle of water all day long. Again, you will not get a blast of water out of your faucet for that tub full of water....

--->Paul

 

[Highbeam]

The only water I drink all day is what goes in the coffee pot. No need for water in a typical emergency, at least not more than is stored in a water heater unless you are talking long term. You can be stinky, fuzzy toothed, and crap outside for quite some time when push comes to shove.

So much of this emergency backup water system depends on what you want. How much, for how long, and at what pressure. You'll need to answer those questions before you can gain much info here.

Keep a half dozen cases of bottled beverage on hand and call it good for most typical emergencies. Want to last a month or more without any outside assistance then look at a manual system or some other off-grid deal.

There is being prepared and there is paranoia. A fine line.

 

[turnkey4099]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I may be wrong but I think that I read and article several years ago on the Internet about how much more efficient some of the modern hand pumps are and how they take a fraction of the energy that Grandma's hand pump did. The engineering that went into them amazed me. I think that the company that sold the pumps I am talking about was a Canadian company. I am not sure if this style pump was the type that did not draw water from the well but it pressurized the pipe so the water was pushed up a pipe rather than pulled like the older system.
You can still buy the old style hand pumps because I did that a couple of years ago and was shocked by the amount of horrible labor involved to pump 5 gallons of water from a 20 foot deep well. The pump was one of the smaller pumps like the ones that were mounted near the kitchen sink and pumped water from the cistern when I was a kid on the farm.
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That engineering can improve function is true. No engineering can do away with the facts of nature. It will take x amount of force to move 1 gal of water to the point of use no matter what the engineering design is. Some designs will make it easier but that is all they can do.

Harry K