Were They Really the Good Old Days?

   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #61  
So many things to respond to
newbury - perhaps we will see a short window of prosperity before it all comes crashing down. A major difference between your reminiscing and today is government. We certainly had corruption in the 70s but today we have the trappings of tyranny. It is difficult to prosper under tyranny.
Ahh yes, the 70's with Spiro Agnew and Nixon.

In the "Good Old Days", things were made in the USA by AMERICAN workers and craftsman. Those things lasted for decades, and when they did finally break, they were easily fixable and could last more decades.

Now, crap is made in China so a few corporate fat cats can be really rich, the crap breaks down, isn't rebuildable, and has to be replaced, so the fat cat can get richer providing work for the Chinese and to **** with the American worker.

Now you tell me, which is better? Are you American, or are you a fat cat or Chinese worker?
Ah yes, the days of the Chevy Vega, when cars would rust out the first year and you tried to make sure your car wasn't built on Hangover Monday or Party Friday.

Tax rates are far below those of the good old days.
https://www.google.com/search?q=us+...raph_of_the_day_for_september_9.html;1288;848

Much of the rat race is driven by the desire to have so many things. If we could live with the things people had in the 1940s it would be different.

Loren
Please don't bring actual FACTS into an argument. Besides, who looks at links when they know they won't like them? It's a lot easier to be right when you ignore reality.

OB...56... missed the draft by a couple of months. Almost joined the Army a few years later but changed my mind after being sent to Ft Polk Louisiana for a weekend(ROTC)....the late 70's was not good to the Army.
About the end of January, 1973 I got called up and told to report to the center in Albany, where if I passed the physical I'd be sure to get a free vacation in 'Nam. The day before I was to report Nixon stopped the draft. Two years later I joined the Army and ended up working at the same SMALL Army lab for 3 yrs enlisted and 34 years as a civilian.

When we were land hunting we looked at a parcel that contained a large family cemetery. It was a large cemetery, not because there were a great many generations buried in the plot, but because so many graves were babies and children. The vast majority of graves were kids.

People forget polio and the polio scares. Pools being closed and such. If you got the flu, you very well might die. My wife and I both have great grand fathers that died of flu. It was just common. Now, the papers talk about how many people are dying from flu because it is shocking. It is shocking that less than a dozen people have died. Years ago, that would have been a drop in the bucket.
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My father had a sister die of chicken pox which she caught from him. Almost unheard of today.

There were child sexual predator's years ago, we had what are now called stranger danger films at school, but the problem just was not talked about that much. Now, with instant communication, you hear of incidents in nearby cities and towns, that years ago you would not hear about. Just this week, there were arrests in Cary and Raleigh about child predators. Years ago, people in my county would not have heard about those arrests. The predators WERE there. We just did not know that much about them.
And furthermore if it's a slow newsday the local media will escalate reporting of ANYTHING that they think will sell ads - fires, traffic jams, bad weather - no matter where it is. Perhaps partially because in major markets local news runs from 4:30 to 7 am, an hour around noon, then from 4pm to 7pm almost 7 hours of "news" for a 24 hour day.
The world is a better place today than it was 50 or 100 years ago. We have our problems but they are nothing compared to what we used to have. My kids do not have Duck and Cover drills in school like I did. They no longer worry about a nuke exchange that would wipe out civilization.

Later,
Dan
Ah, the old "hide under your desk or down in the basement and kiss your behind good-by". But now they have lock down drills because of school shootings

This. I have done some family geneology recently, and was surprised at how many kids just didn't make it. My mom and dad both lost siblings, and my grandparents lost a couple each, and one side, the parents died from flu in 1918. After losing several coworkers to cancer and heart attacks, I decided retirement was a good idea. Good health is merely dying at a acceptably slow pace....
SWMBO suffered 2 strokes in 2 months back in '09, the second one severe (almost buried) and requiring about a year of rehab. Virtually fully recovered now, thank you, but still can't leap tall buildings with a single bound. Small buildings or two bounds now. But that was a wakeup call to retire while we could enjoy life.


Enjoy yourself. These are the good old days you're going to miss in the years ahead.:thumbsup:

Like I said before:
Yes, they REALLY were the good old days.

I remember like it was yesterday. Warm, sunny, everything right in the world. But that was back on February 1st, 2014.

That seems so long ago now :)
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #62  
I think one exception to this is TVs. Many people are now throwing away 10 year old working TVs to replace them with big screens. Years ago I never bought a new TV that worked for 2 years without breaking.

Up until a year or so ago we were still using a TV I bought back in the 80s. It still works but we needed a new TV with more up to date video connections. The wifey got a TV for free that someone no longer needed. Oddly, I still have all but two TVs I have ever bought. One we got rid off because it was too small and too old for the new fangled video and sound connections and the other we gave to family. Now, the old TV sets with tubes might be a different story.

I see people getting rid of TV today, not because they are broken, but because they are obsolete technology wise. Our garbage collection center has a drop off for electronics which are mostly old computers and TVs. The TVs are always old CRTs.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #63  
Reading some of these accounts, makes me think that I probably grew up in one of the most privileged places on the planet. It certainly never made me a sucessfull self made man however and it also never provided me with any sense of famly. Funny, how it all works!
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #64  
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Ah, the old "hide under your desk or down in the basement and kiss your behind good-by". But now they have lock down drills because of school shootings

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That is still better than worrying about nukes popping off. For a time, I lived across the river from a SAC base, and even at that young age, I knew that multiple warheads were aimed at us. Schools might have lock downs but we never did, though we should have. We had school violence and I was always wondering if the PLO or some other terrorist group would attack my school like they were doing in other parts of the world. Course, I was watching the news at 7 so I knew what was going on in the world unlike many kids my age. Heck, I wonder some of the adults knew or know.

My kids do not seem to mind the school lock down drills. I know the duck and cover drills did bother me and other kids. We knew it was a very real threat where as school shootings are not very common and are isolated. If the nukes started popping off, we were all going to get hit and we knew it. Looking back at what is now history, it seems we came pretty danged close to a nuke exchange than we ever thought...

Later,
Dan
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #65  
^^If maybe only by accident!
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #66  
I think one exception to this is TVs. Many people are now throwing away 10 year old working TVs to replace them with big screens. Years ago I never bought a new TV that worked for 2 years without breaking.

My parents and grandparents on Dad's side were very frugal... as I think most people are that lived through the depression.

That said, they would save to buy quality... there homes are filled with with things they bought once... the first color Zenith TV from the 60's, their electrolux vacum cleaner, Wedgewood gas ranges, Kenmore washer/dryer and Amana refrigerator/freezers... the old Philco refrigerator from the 50's still works too.

The Dairy farmers on Mom's side did not own a TV, phone, heated a very comfortable home with wood, cooked with wood and never had trash to haul, no car (they did have 1950 tractor) I've mentioned bringing my Grandmother a case of DelMonte peaches around 1980 only to learn she did not own a can opener!... she put up all her preserves just like her mom.

All I can say is I'm thankful I was at least exposed to that life... it lets you know just what it needed and what is fluff.
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #67  
If everything is so cheap, why did the husband work, the wife stayed at home, and there were still 2 cars in the driveway? Now two incomes is mandatory.

If taxes are lower, how come we are trillions of debt with an income tax, while 100 years ago, there was no income tax, yet the budget was balanced even after paying for wars?

If we no longer have to worry about nuclear warheads, why do we have terrorists taking over airplanes or setting of bombs? Is that not a worry?

If electronics and appliances are so cheap, why are they designed as a short term item to be shortly replaced by another? What used to last 50 years, now has a 5 year lifespan. Given that, they should cost 10% what they used to, not 50%.


Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. If you want to make up stats how good it is today, it's possible. But just like government officials, there is a big difference between the "facts" and the real world.

People in power got there through treachery and shenanigans, NOT honest competition. VHS come out ahead of Beta, even though Beta was superior. Microsoft is almost a monopoly, even though Apple is the superior system. I just got a new laptop, Windows 8, it makes '95 look like a reliable OS! That's NOT progress. It's screwing the American sheep that are so willing to follow without question. Why did I not get Apple? Pure and simple, cost. With an ever declining income, one is forced to buy cheap, whether it works, or one wants it.
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #68  
If everything is so cheap, why did the husband work, the wife stayed at home, and there were still 2 cars in the driveway? Now two incomes is mandatory.

There weren't 2 cars in our driveway and Mom sold Avon.

If taxes are lower, how come we are trillions of debt with an income tax, while 100 years ago, there was no income tax, yet the budget was balanced even after paying for wars?
Because the balance became severely out of wack with 2 wars and Bush lowering taxes at the same time.

If we no longer have to worry about nuclear warheads, why do we have terrorists taking over airplanes or setting of bombs? Is that not a worry?
I think most would agree that there is a big difference between a bombing at the Boston Marathon (for example) and Hiroshima happening in every major city.

If electronics and appliances are so cheap, why are they designed as a short term item to be shortly replaced by another? What used to last 50 years, now has a 5 year lifespan. Given that, they should cost 10% what they used to, not 50%.
Planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Figures don't lie, but liars do figure. If you want to make up stats how good it is today, it's possible. But just like government officials, there is a big difference between the "facts" and the real world.

People in power got there through treachery and shenanigans, NOT honest competition. VHS come out ahead of Beta, even though Beta was superior. Microsoft is almost a monopoly, even though Apple is the superior system. I just got a new laptop, Windows 8, it makes '95 look like a reliable OS! That's NOT progress. It's screwing the American sheep that are so willing to follow without question. Why did I not get Apple? Pure and simple, cost. With an ever declining income, one is forced to buy cheap, whether it works, or one wants it.
Why do you even NEED a computer? Much less a laptop?

If you take the average condition the average person in the US lives in it seems far better than it did 50 years ago.
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #69  
It's always a good day whenever I remember where I parked the tractor. :rolleyes:

I'm with the optimists - I don't think the human condition is hopeless, & encourage the youngsters to make improvements. I've enjoyed life tremendously & try to help others to also.

There's plenty of time to take the permanent dirt nap.
 
   / Were They Really the Good Old Days? #70  
"He said, farm families who grow a garden could get by if for some reason groceries became non existent, but everyone else would starve to death."

Heck - At least it sounds good :)

Sad fact is probably a far different scenario. I believe it is more accurate to say - in a "serious event" society will begin to show major crumbling within 72 hours. Things will rapidly degenerate into brutality. This may take a little longer in small town settings but you can bet the farm it will happen. Those with food, or anything else useful, will be targets. Neighbors will turn on neighbors when it comes to survival. Armed groups will be visiting rural "supply stations" <your country home>.

Survival in really tough times will come down to having been prepared, being able/willing to defend your preparations or being able/willing to take what you need from others. If you doubt this, just look at our somewhat minor events such as Katrina - looting, crime of all sorts and even being forcibly disarmed by authorities.

The USA has plenty of enemies capable of making this happen in the blink of an eye. A cargo ship off the coast - launch of a low-budget rocket to high altitude - a crude nuclear device .................. poof! Instantly turns the country back about 200 years - permanently.

Enough of this ... I really miss Bonanza!
 

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