what about the idiots on atvs

   / what about the idiots on atvs #11  
DAVE Sounds like your attitude and assets re: tolerance of considerate people are admirable. You appear to be a person who works hard to avoid unnecessary confrontation with blaggards and rascallions....
however, I wouldn't mind seeing your "back-up"
exercise attitude adjustment until you commanded,
"AUS !!"

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Lazy K - Chip
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #12  
I had no Impression at all. My comments were not directed at anyone. I am merely pointing out that Shutzhund trained, or even dogs in general, place their owners at liability, even on their own property. I know of three cases where shutzhund dog owners were being sued.
In one case where the owner was held liable, a meter reader encountered a locked gate, with a "Beware" sign on it. He looked around and not seeing a dog, jumped the gate. The media jumped on the fact that the dog had at least some shutzhund training. The actual argument was, that in accepting electric service the homeowner had agreeded to allow access. What effect the dogs training had on the Jury is anybodies guess.
ErnieB
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #13  
Most of those folks are what I refer to as the 5%'ers. I rode dirt bikes, ATV's, drove Jeeps and various other forms of off-road travel over the years.

When out in the field, I found 95% of the people were like me. They respected things, and didn't thrash property. But, there are always the other 5%. they thrashed meadows, made erosion causing "short-cuts", left trash, and generally made things bad for the other 95%. Now lot's of trails are closed.

I have found this true whether I was off-roading, hunting, fishing, driving on any road, commuting, you name it.

Out here, there is a club that does trail cleanup on the "Rubicon" every year. I think it was last year, they were doing a trail clean-up, and were working with the foresty dept. They were blocking "short-cuts". The trail was getting torn up by people "trail-blazing". They had winched tree's across short cuts, only to find someone winching it out of the way a day or two later. It was one of the 5%'ers... See the hard work they did, and the report on the 5%'er at
http://www.pirate4x4.com/trailreports/trail_cleanups/spider_lake_1999/index.html

They make it hard on all of us. Once they spoil things, most of us 95%'ers have already lost any hope of gaining use of the land again. It's not just land use though. It's everywhere.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #14  
I wonder if my comments about the guy I saw that dug a hole that "trapped" a vehicle started all this "trap" talk? If you have a road you don't use that has water over part of it and your property is properly posted, there is nothing that puts you under a liability risk if the mud is a little deeper than yesterday. The people weren't at risk, they were only 100 feet from a paved county road and just had to pay a nice tow bill or find someone to get them out and maybe drain the dirt and water out of their engine. (unless they remembered to attach the snorkel).

Sometimes it's hard to know where the national forest stops and private property begins unless it is posted or their are obvious signs, fences etc that would tip you off. If you are on 10 acres near a county road their's no excuse for it. I had a bozo come out and start target shooting 300 feet from my house. Upon questioning, he thought he was "out in the country." Yeah, right, with visible houses across the road and 4 mailboxes 200 feet from him. I also had a man and wife (40s?) riding 4-wheelers part of my property that had uncut grass on it, in JULY, and they were both SMOKING!

They had actually moved a couple of logs I had across the particular driveway.

As an ex dirt-biker and now Jeeper I know the adventurous feeling! I also know there's lots of places to explore without infringing. Of course that's before the Forest Service, under pressure from do-gooders who want a non vehicle wilderness from the Rockies to the Pacific Ocean get done "restoring" all the roads back to what they were. Then if there is a lightning fire they can let it all burn like Yellowstone so it can be "natural".

Anyway, personally I tend to welcome strangers under most circumstances. I heard some noise one day, went over and heard language I thought I could identify but couldn't believe it. There were a few Vietnamese, a couple of families I think, walking around on the edge of my woods picking bracken ferns, which are about as worthwhile to me as rocks stuck in my bucket teeth. I tried to tell them nicely they were on private property, I don't think they knew what I was saying or not, but after watching them, including the ancient grandparents struggling to bend over, I grabbed up as many as I could carry and helped. Even if you pull them out they are back the next year anyway. (the ferns not the people!) They were all smiles. I never saw them again (15 years). Later a friend told me they make some kind of dish out of them (again, the ferns not the people!)./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Now I'm hoping someone will come by and pick up all the rocks and tree branches I have!

Oh and back to actual subject...there was a case in this county I think about mid 80's where a kid had been injured or worse, someone had strung a wire across a road with the intention of stopping bikers. They succeeded. Kids are just that. If the guy's got no hair, grey hair, or a few wrinkles I might get ticked off, kids you just have to educate and block with BIG THING. Isn't that why loaders on tractors were invented? For moving those stumps around?
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #15  
Dave M

Do you train the dogs for Schutzhund? Have you ever seen or handled an Airedale Schutzhund? Thanks

Derek
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #16  
Derek,
Some kinda mix bag of weather that mother nature throwing at us. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

Hope we are facing another ice storm from a couple years ago. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

Stay safe and dry over there.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #17  
Thomas

Left deer camp this early afternoon with heavy rain. Rain is just starting to let up. Luckly the temps (were I was) were high enough to keep away the icing. Back roads were a little slick, nothing I'm not use too. On turkey-day we had 1 foot of snow just above the valley and around 2k feet and up 1.5 to 2 feet of snow. Looks like the later half of this week will bring more snow. If this snow stays it's going to make for a long winter!

What mountain are you on over there in NH?

Derek
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #18  
"Do you train the dogs for Schutzhund?"

Yes. My wife and I both train and handle dogs in the sport. I also do decoy work in my club.

"Have you ever seen or handled an Airedale Schutzhund?"

Yes, I have seen one Airedale that did pretty nice work. Also Giant Schnauzers, Bouviers, Dobermann Pinschers, a Standard Poodle, and even a Border Collie. However, German Shepherds, Belgian Malinois and Rottweilers are the top three breeds in Schutzhund in my experience.

Here is a link for those unfamiliar with Schutzhund.
http://realgsd.net/GSDinfo/Training/SchH/1schutzhund.htm
 
   / what about the idiots on atvs #19  
Derek,
Sounds like winter has knock on your door.
Iam still on the border line of sleet and snow..whew.

If you know of the Moose Mountain {south peak} range I'm one small mountain towards Vermont..Mt.Tug,
I have know idea how the mountain got its name.

Hope you had good luck this year!!

Lets not hope for a long winter,for cabin fever seems to come way to quick. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

Stay safe and dry over there.


Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 

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