This is a little off the point as you have already decided you don't like the Kioti subframe. However, I've owned both (KB2365 on a CK20, Woods BH90X on a DK40se) and I would have to say that while the Woods is definitely more compact so you don't have a big subframe sticking out of a dismounted BH, there are some advantages to the Kioti solution. I don't know about the rest of you but I find attaching the Woods is a lot more finicky than getting the Kioti BH mounted. Millimeters make a big difference when attaching the Woods while you can pretty much line things up within an inch or so with the Kioti and the subframe will slot into place. also the Kioti subframe is, at least for me, easier to manipulate using the stabilizers and arm. I am always over shooting or under shooting when trying to change the three dimensional position of the Woods. I'd guess that I learned to attach the Kioti BH in about 5 minutes after I got used to it. It still takes me a good 15 minutes minimum to get the Woods all lined up and happy on a good day. Mind you this is putting it on and off in the yard on sometimes uneven soil so maybe both would be faster on a concrete slab like in a garage.
As well I got the backhoe with the 7 position thumb as I knew I would be picking up logs, brush and firewood rounds. :thumbsup:
