What difference will Ag tires make?

[case245]

I AG S ARE GOOD ON THE ICE i was going down a hill in hi 4th hit the brakes a slid maybe a foot that 8300ib tractor

 

[Verticaltrx]

I assume you probably saw my thread about switching between R1's and R4's on my B3200 a while back, if not look it up for some good info. In soft dirt, mud, slick clay, and snow the Ag tires provide excellent traction. For loader work they are good if it is really slick, like in the barn lot or something, but aren't heavy duty enough for all day heavy loader work. If I have a big job moving lots of gravel, lots of heavy pallet fork work, etc I sometimes swap my R4 tires back on. In a situation like yours, I think you could go with any of the three tire choices and be happy, mud and snow are when things change. FWIW, with a good floor jack and air impact I can change between the two sets in about 10min.

 

[oldnslo]

In soft dirt, mud, slick clay, and snow the Ag tires provide excellent traction. They would be good for gardening. For loader work they are good if it is really slick, like in the barn lot or something, but aren't heavy duty enough for all heavy loader work.

Why aren't ag tires good or heavy enough for loader work? Had them on My BX1850 and now on Branson 2400H with the heavy duty loader with no problems. Side walls may not be as heavy as R4's but they don't bulge at all.

On a side my ag tires never bothered the lawn when it was fit to mow. I NEVER mow in 4WD and have noticed on occasion when turning real short at higher speeds the front tires will leave some small marks taht are gone by the next mowing. Yes wet conditions they may leave lug marks but then so would walking in these areas. I have hauled buckets full of dirt across my lawn with no visible tire tracks from the front tires.

Can you find a similar size tractor in your area with Ag tires and test drive it?

 

[xring100]

I AG S ARE GOOD ON THE ICE i was going down a hill in hi 4th hit the brakes a slid maybe a foot that 8300ib tractor

No offense but I would have to ask did you have chains on, or what did you hit to stop you after you slid only a foot unless you meant hundreds of feet.

Ag tires are terrible on Ice and hard pack snow in my personal experience and many others. I have trouble climbing a hill in front of my house on hard pack 4wd on and limited slip front axle not even plowing.
Data supports this as well
Friction Coefficients for Ag tires to various surfaces
Assuming your driveway is gravel the coefficient of friction is approximately 0.6
Asphalt and Dry earth are about .75
Hard pack snow = 0.25
Ice =0.1
Tire Friction coeffiecnts
Chains on ice have at least 0.4 based on my research
I have not found a source for Turf or R4's but i hear R4's are also miserable on ICE

Here is a prime example of how much ags suck on ice and this guy probably weights 1.5 - 2 times your rig yes he could have done other things to prevent the crash but i'm sure he panicked. Thus the reason for my question of chains or what did you hit. My R1's perform like this guys. for more proof search you tube some of the video's are pretty funny

 

[xring100]

Why aren't ag tires good or heavy enough for loader work? Had them on My BX1850 and now on Branson 2400H with the heavy duty loader with no problems. Side walls may not be as heavy as R4's but they don't bulge at all.

I would ask the same question my front tires are rated at 4000 lbs capacity each. Granted I would'nt want to run them on pavement all the time for heavy loader work due to wear but my tractor rarely sees pavement.

 

[xring100]

Will the AG tires give a noticeable difference in the garden with the middle buster and disc? Or is it simply a problem of weight and the tires won't make that much of a difference.

AG's will make a big difference in the garden or any type of soil. They are designed to ofter maximum traction in the dirt. They usually have good side slip traction on hills as well. As you know they tend to destroy Grass or leave tread imprints where ever they go if the ground is soft. Well mine do but then again each of the rear wheels/tires with Juice in them weighs about as much as your tractor itself so they might not be as hard on the turf on your tractor. I know guys that put Ag's on zero turns and claim they don't tear up the grass as much as the Turf tires but i can't confirm or deny that rumor.

 

[Verticaltrx]

Why aren't ag tires good or heavy enough for loader work? Had them on My BX1850 and now on Branson 2400H with the heavy duty loader with no problems. Side walls may not be as heavy as R4's but they don't bulge at all.

On a side my ag tires never bothered the lawn when it was fit to mow. I NEVER mow in 4WD and have noticed on occasion when turning real short at higher speeds the front tires will leave some small marks taht are gone by the next mowing. Yes wet conditions they may leave lug marks but then so would walking in these areas. I have hauled buckets full of dirt across my lawn with no visible tire tracks from the front tires.

Can you find a similar size tractor in your area with Ag tires and test drive it?

I would ask the same question my front tires are rated at 4000 lbs capacity each. Granted I would'nt want to run them on pavement all the time for heavy loader work due to wear but my tractor rarely sees pavement.

The B3200 uses a 7-12 front Ag tire. It is quite narrow and the sidewalls are not that sturdy, it's close to the load limit with just the tractor and loader weight on them. The 23x8.50-14 R4 front tires are much sturdier and don't bulge at all under load. The turf tires don't have much sidewall strength, but they are taller (24 or 25" IIRC) and wider so that helps make up for it. The ag tires on these tractors do work fine for most loader work, but the really heavy stuff is hard on them.

 

[xring100]

The B3200 uses a 7-12 front Ag tire. It is quite narrow and the sidewalls are not that sturdy, it's close to the load limit with just the tractor and loader weight on them. The 23x8.50-14 R4 front tires are much sturdier and don't bulge at all under load. The turf tires don't have much sidewall strength, but they are taller (24 or 25" IIRC) and wider so that helps make up for it. The ag tires on these tractors do work fine for most loader work, but the really heavy stuff is hard on them.

Gotcha makes sense now

Dave

 

[sandyc]

Make sure that if you use different style tires (front to back) that you don't upset the gearing when you go into 4 wheel drive. Make sure that the circumference on each axle match that of the tires you take off otherwise you could see some very costly repairs!

 

[art]

A lot of good info here but the best traction on ice and snow is with turf tires! Industrial tires don't flex and the ag's give to little surface area. What we have found is we often will add studs to industrial and ag tires for winter cleanup. For the farmers we do add chains for traveling in deep snow areas but not on plowed areas as the traction is less!
You have to remember if your snow removal equipment is working then you are not in deep snow!