Alan L.
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I have a Minolta SLR about 8 or 10 years old, so maybe its old autofocus technology, but it has a delay on the focus, so bad that if the subject is moving toward you, forget it, the shutter won't fire.
What digital camera do you have/want?
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TresCrows
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Rat, thanks for the link to the film vs digital site. It was very interesting and basically in step with other similar sites I have read. Thanks again.
I think the first camera I owned was a pinhole camera we made in the 3rd grade. The teacher constructed a primitive dark room in the janitors closet and watching the images come to silvery life before my eyes had a lasting impression. I am not sure that type of magic can exist in this "I want it now" world we live in. I may well be Kodak's last customer but I doubt film succumbs as readily as did LP record's overnight dissapperence. Some people will always believe in magic.
Yuk, winter is here. J
I think the first camera I owned was a pinhole camera we made in the 3rd grade. The teacher constructed a primitive dark room in the janitors closet and watching the images come to silvery life before my eyes had a lasting impression. I am not sure that type of magic can exist in this "I want it now" world we live in. I may well be Kodak's last customer but I doubt film succumbs as readily as did LP record's overnight dissapperence. Some people will always believe in magic.
Yuk, winter is here. J
rockyridgefarm
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<font color="orange">EOS 1DS, a 11 megapixel camera is needed. The body cost alone is about $8000. </font>
So what does the s and 5 grand get you over the Canon 1d
So what does the s and 5 grand get you over the Canon 1d
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I remember making a pinhole camera in cub scouts, probably around 1970. We used a 35mm film box for the tube. Took off both ends, put tinfoil over one end and sat the other end into a 126 film cartridge. It lined up perfectly. Taped everything over to cover light leaks. Poked a pin hole in the center of the foil and made the shutter out of a flap of paper. Took many exposures of the same subject at different time lenghts. I was amazed that it took pictures and it really showed a kid how by varying the time, the film was exposed differently through the same sized opening. The only problem was the dog didn't want to sit still for that long and most of the pictures came out with a clear dog body and fuzzy blur for dog head /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Should have done a still life! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
TresCrows
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"So what does the s and 5 grand get you over the Canon 1d"
According to that one web site he had a link to----equivalency to a medium/ fine grain film.
It also has a sensing chip equal in size to a 35mm negative so that lenses intended originally for 35mm retain their true focal length. Nice so that a pro can use his old lenses or any lens for that brand camera interchangeably and be assured the perspective and focal length will remain equivelent. A 24mm lens on a 35mm camera has a viewing angle of about 90 degrees. That same lens mounted on the new Cannon Digital Rebel SLR has a viewing angle of about 75 degrees. I am doing that off the top of my head so the numbers may not be absolutely accurate but in the range. Does this matter, yes and no, if you are into wide angles it means you need a lens like a 18mm to equal a 24 mm in 35mm film. Also the larger chip will have more pixels and therefore more resolution.
You know, there is a lot of so called "FAQs" out there. I could make up one too. Most of them seem to agree that to equal a fine grain modern film you need upwards of roughly 15MP plus considerably more dynamic range. Some diehard film people will not agree even with that claiming more like 20 or more MP will be needed. Like I said, for people who want snaps of their kids, dogs, tractors to attach to e-mails this is all esoteric. The fact remains that NO digital camera currently available today that cost less than a B2410 plus loader and mower deck can equal a film SLR camera shoting a fine grain film. Plus that, digital copy reproduction using archival inks on photo grade paper is somewhat more expensive than film derived prints, so I read. Again, for most average users this is unlikely to matter, therefore, it is reasonable to assume that most low end consumers and non photo hobbiest will go digital point and shoot eventually and that even professionals will own digital cameras as well as film so as to be able to utilize the attributes of both mediums. J
According to that one web site he had a link to----equivalency to a medium/ fine grain film.
It also has a sensing chip equal in size to a 35mm negative so that lenses intended originally for 35mm retain their true focal length. Nice so that a pro can use his old lenses or any lens for that brand camera interchangeably and be assured the perspective and focal length will remain equivelent. A 24mm lens on a 35mm camera has a viewing angle of about 90 degrees. That same lens mounted on the new Cannon Digital Rebel SLR has a viewing angle of about 75 degrees. I am doing that off the top of my head so the numbers may not be absolutely accurate but in the range. Does this matter, yes and no, if you are into wide angles it means you need a lens like a 18mm to equal a 24 mm in 35mm film. Also the larger chip will have more pixels and therefore more resolution.
You know, there is a lot of so called "FAQs" out there. I could make up one too. Most of them seem to agree that to equal a fine grain modern film you need upwards of roughly 15MP plus considerably more dynamic range. Some diehard film people will not agree even with that claiming more like 20 or more MP will be needed. Like I said, for people who want snaps of their kids, dogs, tractors to attach to e-mails this is all esoteric. The fact remains that NO digital camera currently available today that cost less than a B2410 plus loader and mower deck can equal a film SLR camera shoting a fine grain film. Plus that, digital copy reproduction using archival inks on photo grade paper is somewhat more expensive than film derived prints, so I read. Again, for most average users this is unlikely to matter, therefore, it is reasonable to assume that most low end consumers and non photo hobbiest will go digital point and shoot eventually and that even professionals will own digital cameras as well as film so as to be able to utilize the attributes of both mediums. J
rockyridgefarm
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I noticed the 1d when I was shopping. It is $3K. But it is discontinued model replaced by the 1ds. It is 4megapixel, and listed for $8K, like the 1ds. So, if I wait for the 1ds+, I can pick up a new 1ds for a pretty healthy discount....
But maybe I'll NEED the 1ds++ /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
But maybe I'll NEED the 1ds++ /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
