What happened to Winter??

   / What happened to Winter?? #52  
I remember reading something a few years back where the scientists found that weather definitely is different around cities. The warm mass of the city - all the buildings, concrete, asphalt, etc. affects the weather patterns - at least locally. Whether it affects weather globally or not probably can't be proven ( at least not yet) but from everything I can understand about climate everything affects everything else in some way or another.

The whole global warming/global cooling debate seems to me a little bit like the arguments we hear about all the bad things that affect our health. Smoking for instance - it seems to be pretty much universally agreed (in this country at least) that smoking is bad - yet we still hear the stories about "my 90 year old grandmother" who smoked a pack a day and is doing just fine. When I hear those stories I tend to think - yeah, she is doing ok but she would be doing even better if she wasn't smoking. I think the weather is complicated enough that it can't be proven 100% that the climate is entirely being affected by what we do - but I think that it is also probably also 100% certain that human activity has at least some effect on the climate.

So why is it that the stereotypical "liberal" position is that we are killing the planet with all of our pollution - while the stereotypical "conservative" position is that it is not a big problem? I would think that when it comes to air we breathe and planet we live on it would be more prudent to say better safe than sorry - which seem a very conservative way to think of the problem. While claiming that pollution and global warming are no big deal is more of a liberal approach to the issue. Just another one of those things that confuse me. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / What happened to Winter?? #53  
<font color="blue"> Just another one of those things that confuse me. </font>

I'd love to give you my take on it, but we're not supposed to talk about politics in here, or about how the undue influence of money on our elected officials has turned the entire political process on its head, so I won't.
 
   / What happened to Winter??
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#54  
I believe Global Warming is an accepted fact among the scientific community. The conundrum is whether it is a natural cyclical occurence or is it directly related to fossil fuels. If one would talk to an Exxon executive or a representative from Green Peace the answers would be as different as the opinions expressed here. I guess we will find out at some point along the line. It is an endless debate with no definitive, concrete answer.

John
 
   / What happened to Winter?? #55  
This news article popped up on my home page and I thought of this thread.I know this could be a bad thing but I really cant help but enjoy the mild winter.I'm really closer to the tree hugger side but theres no since in worring on it,if it is our fault nothing is going to change.The multiplier is only going to increase in the equation as we populate.
 
   / What happened to Winter??
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#56  
Plumboy, It seems to have gotten alot warmer in my lifetime. I remember as a kid we used to ice skate on the ponds most of the Winter. That sure has changed, no ice at all this year.

John
 
   / What happened to Winter?? #57  
I agree - the ice hasn't been safe yet this year - but last year there were 18 inches of ice on our pond!
 
   / What happened to Winter?? #58  
I have heard this debate for years. I don't think there is really any significant change. if you look at the record books ALOT of the high temps in the winter in certian cold climate areas are from years and years back. Why?

I also always hear people say that " it just doesn't snow as much as it used to"
Well, in 2002 we had 54" of snow in one single snow storm. While me and a few buddies with FEL's started digging out my 2.5 mile driveway, my grandfathers 83 yr. old friend showed up to check on us. We then had this same conversation and he said he lived here all his life and has NEVER seen a snowfall like that.
I believe mother earth adapts to almost anything. If she can not adapt she will get rid of what is causeing the problem.
 
   / What happened to Winter?? #59  
<font color="blue"> I believe mother earth adapts to almost anything. If she cannot adapt she will get rid of what is causing the problem. </font>

I'm just afraid that's going to be US! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 

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