What is HST?

   / What is HST? #1  

SalW

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The model I've been considering has either a DT or HST option - I'm assuming that refers to Hydrostatic Transmission? My understanding is that would add about $1000 to the purchase cost and would be the rough equivalent of driving a car with an automatic transmission - no shifting. Correct?

I'll be a new tractor driver, but is this HST really that helpful? This isn't something we'll be renting for a day (and need to be comfortable driving it right away)...
 
   / What is HST? #2  
HST does stand for Hydrostatic Transmission.

Depending on who you talk to, HST is either a power-robbing, inefficient girly-man system for wanna-be gentleman hobby farmers; or it is an amazingly easy to use, quick shifting/reversing, hill climbing, Front End Loader User (FEL) godsend. The gear versus HST debate transcends all tractor colors, and even generates more heated discussion than synthetic oil and gun control. You don't even have to search for the threads, just open any forum and pick out the HST/Gear threads.

Within a certain operating range, HSTs vary the tractor speed by varying the torque to the wheels. Gear tractors vary the tractor speed by varying the engine speed. Both types may be used for most activities, there may be some minor advantages of one vs. another depending on your major use.

And that's all I'm goin' to say.

Except for welcome to TBN!
 
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HST is short for hydrostatic transmission. It is roughly the same as an automatic transmission on a car. That may be a bit of a simplistic comparison but it is fairly valid never the less. On a HST pedal, the harder you press on the pedal the faster the tractor goes so that is why the comparison is valid when comparing it to a car's automatic transmission. However, as the pressure on the pedal is increase the amount of torque available to the wheels is simultaneously decreased. This is an important difference to keep in mind. As you are trying to dig into a dirt pile if you press harder on the HST pedal, you are actually reducing the amount of power to the wheels. It is a bit convoluted, but to increase the torque you can reduce pressure to the HST pedal and the torque will increase. As for shifting, you do have a range selector with HST, you pick a range (typically LOW & HIGH or LOW, MID & HIGH) and then you simply press the pedal.

All that said, HST is simple to use right from the start. It is very efficient for most uses. It is very user friendly. It increases resale value in the tractor should you sell it. It is very reliable, typical lifespans before some sort of a rebuild reportedly run about every 5000 hours.

I was writing while DocHeb was writing and he posted first, so I came back to edit in some stuff and let me say I am not a girly-man but I am a proponent of HST. I tend to think that when something scary jumps out in front of me I scream like a little girl and run the other way. But hey, I didn't grow up in the country with tractors, I grew up as a city & suburban boy who moved out to country and I started playing with tractors. I don't pretend to be a "real" farmer, but I've used real farm tractors and I've used CUTs and I've used both HST and GEAR. I simply prefer HST and find it easy and efficient. Would I use HST if I were plowing fields. NO. But for use on a gentleman's farm or small estate type property then HST is, in my opinion, a great choice.
 
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SalW,

Tell us more about the lay of the land where you are...in my view the HST has safety advantages, especially for the new tractor owner, when hills come into the picture.

There has been a lot of discussion in the past on HST vs GEAR. Both are great tractors. Do a search of the archives and you will learn a lot. If you do go with a gear tractor, you might want to consider system that is a step above the basic gear setup, and allows shifting on the go without the need to push the clutch yourself. I think on the Kubota line they call this GST (glide shift ?).

Enjoy the learning/decision making process. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Gear tractors vary the tractor speed by varying the engine speed. )</font>

That is if your tractor only has one gear. On my tractor I have 3 ranges by 4 speeds and vary the speed that way. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / What is HST? #6  
A hydrostatic transmission is not the same as a automatic transmission in a car, a hydrostat is a manual variable flo hydraulic pump, and an automatic transmission is more like a gear drive with hydraulic clutch packs to automatically shift the gears at different vacum settings, (old style), new ones are computer controlled.
Chuck M.
 
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Welcome to TBN!

IMO, the best way to learn about HST, and the differences between it and a gear transmission is to go to the dealer and test drive both. Spend some seat time and see which one you're more comfortable with.

I have experience with HST, GST and gear and they all have their pros and cons. The only way you'll know what's best for YOU is to try 'em out.

As mentioned in a previous post, more info on what you plan to do with the tractor may help us provide more pertinent insights.

F47
 
   / What is HST? #8  
Actually the HST is more like a CVT (Continuosly Variable Transmission) with the pedal setting the effective gear ratio. The farther you prress the pedal the lower the gear ratio (higher gearing) and hence the faster you go. Likewise reverse. Neutral is not pushing on the pedal. You do not use the clutch at all for changing direction.

In most of these the pedal tilts a woble plate that in turn strokes a hydraulic pump. More pedal displacement tilts the rotating plate more and gives longer strokes to the hydraulic pump(s).

This is probably the BEST tranny for most any light duty tasks due to convenience and is super for FEL work. It is not the first choice for row croping or other tasks where you really crank out the HP and torque for hours on end. The HSt generates a fair amount of heat which goes to the radiator. A simpler "GEARED" tranny has less loss and can take the extended abuse better.

/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Pat /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Be careful, there is a transmission that is called a CVT that, in design is nothing like a hydro or a gear drive, actually, I think, may be the best of both worlds, and is taking off quite well in the ag market
Chuck M.
 
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The model I've been looking at is the Kubota B7510. Looks like it comes in both DT and HST versions.

The land that we'll be using it on is rough farmland, gently sloping. The slope is so gentle that you barely notice it until you've walked for a few minutes. We'll be mowing initially - and it is *heavily* overgrown with years worth of grass and stray areas of brush. There are pieces of wood - lumber and branches - buried under the grass; we'll need to remove that as well. We'll use it for other tasks (besides mowing), but that is going to be the most difficult thing we anticipate.

Speed is not a factor here - since our property is relatively small, we aren't concerned about going terribly fast. We just want to be able to get over the terrain.

I'm new at this, so thanks for your patience! I know I could ask the dealer when we go in, but I know s/he might not be terribly objective when it comes to selling a higher priced model!

(Incidentally, as a female, I am a "girly" type! Well, maybe not *too* girly since I will be the primary driver of this tractor, and probably the primary "fixer" of it as well!)
 

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