What is the best 3 pt trencher ?How much to charge

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What is the best brand trencher ?
What is the rate per foot to trench for water lines ?
How fast can they trench on a deep trench?
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What kind of soil do you plan to trench in?
How deep?
What will you be paying for Liability Insurance?
How much an hour does your lawyer charge?
How much does the locator outfit in your area charge to stake out?
Will you also be back filling?
How much do you pay the operator?
What's the overhead cost?
Are you competing with directional drillers?
 
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For water lines, you need to trench 6' here in Minnesota. Is this what you want to do? Locating other water lines, tile, phone, & electrical lines, gas lines, & liability for this, is the big issue for those doing it commercially. The cost of the track trencher is secondary almost....

--->Paul
 
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Rambler,
Water lines is what I plan on doing,there are no natural gas lines in this area,I live in a rural area and they are bringing city water to my area.

Thanks
 
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I've never heard of Directional Drillers installing water service lines around here. Have you seen it done over there on the East Coast? Franz brings up some very important points. I have never used a trencher to run water service lines. If you miss a locate, I don't think you'd have a prayer of seeing the utility before it is chopped up into tiny pieces. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif WHEN you cut power, cable , sewer, etc you will be mighty glad you've got insurance. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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In my area trenchers are close to worthless due to clay soil with lots of complementary ROCKS.
Directional drilling and missles are definitely a superior way to go. A missle can be lined up in a cellar, and punch it's way to a small hole at the water main in less time than it would take to dig a trench, let alone backfill and restore.
A couple years back fiberoptic was drilled all the way from Buffalo to Albany on the Thruway right of way, and the figures to do it were less than half the cost of trench and backfill.
Soil conditions dictate the method of excivation. Laws dictate instant bankruptcy if you don't have a locate, regardless of what you KNOW is in the ground. Fiberoptic has been buried all over America, and clipping one of those will get you a bill for thousands of dollars per minute the cable is out of service. I've lived in this house over 50 years, and I wouldn't dig in my own yard without a locate. Let the utility assume the cost of locate errors, they budget for it. The electric utility here won't even use their own augurs to set new poles cause they know the mapping sucks, they employ contractors to dig pole holes by hand.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Fiberoptic has been buried all over America, and clipping one of those will get you a bill for thousands of dollars per minute the cable is out of service. I've lived in this house over 50 years, and I wouldn't dig in my own yard without a locate. Let the utility assume the cost of locate errors, they budget for it. The electric utility here won't even use their own augurs to set new poles cause they know the mapping sucks, they employ contractors to dig pole holes by hand.

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Out here in the sticks the power company still uses augers and sets there own poles,lots of post hole drilling on the farms,lots of trenchers being used and lots to be seen,there is one fiber optic cable(transcontinental) that run's through here a few miles out the road and it is marked.
I would not want to dig in your neighbor hood.
I find it interesting about the directional drilling and missles,I will have to research that.
Thanks for the reply and info.
 
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I have a Kelly brand trencher attachment for my tractor. HST would be a plus but I don't have it, I use creeper and powershift. I live out in the sticks too and still call the utility for most jobs. I don't do it for a living, only to help out friends and neighbors. My trencher runs off a PTO pump and fits on the pins that my lift arms use. Not exactly 3-point but close. It has its own top link. I've owned and used other trenchers before, this seems comparable. I would like to try a PTO driven gearbox trencher as I've seen one nearby but have no experience on that particular style.

Rates depend on area and length of the trench. Check around your neighborhood to see what the rate is.

We bury water lines around here from 18" to 36" with 30"-36" being my personal preference. It all depends on your location.
Hope this helps.
Jim
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I live out in the sticks too and still call the utility for most jobs )</font>

You will not find me disagreeing on that...You all have me thinking about the liabilities etc more and more,I appreciate the dialogue
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hope this helps.
Jim )</font>
It does help and thanks.........
Steel
 
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I had a contractor with a directional drill install a water line under a stream. Digging a trench in the stream would have involved a lot of paperwork with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers if I would have had to use a tracked machine which I would have, given the state's guard pipe requirements. By using the drill neither the stream nor the stream banks were disturbed. The crew drilled under the stream and pulled back 200' of 2" pipe in less than three hours.

There's no way the line could have been done that fast any other way.
 
 

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