What is your favorite brand?
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phil i was wondering the same thing.i am an owner of a 419xt toro and after i read that i went onto mtds website and went onto toros website so that info is false about mtd owning toro.
The same negative things were said when Harley Davidson was bought out, then again when Ford purchased Volvo, Land Rover ect...I did the same thing when I heard that Sig Sauer
firearms had benn bought out. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
firearms had benn bought out. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Am I the only one out here that has a Simplicity? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Does anyone else have one?
This thread is 4 pages long and has had 4 references to the manufacturer.
- BRIGUY - "Simplicity looks good"
- bontai Joe - "Simplicity for the quality"
- horseman1 - "don't compare at all to Simplicity or Kubota"
- LBrown59 - "Simplicity or Kubota"
I'll concur with all that the Simplicity is a great tractor. Built like a tank, reasonable priced, lasts forever...
As for "What is your favorite brand"... I guess I'd have to say I just don't know, but neither of my Simplicity tractors have ever let me down. My first Simplicity was 28 years old when I sold it 8 years ago. To my knowledge, it's still running strong.
This thread is 4 pages long and has had 4 references to the manufacturer.
- BRIGUY - "Simplicity looks good"
- bontai Joe - "Simplicity for the quality"
- horseman1 - "don't compare at all to Simplicity or Kubota"
- LBrown59 - "Simplicity or Kubota"
I'll concur with all that the Simplicity is a great tractor. Built like a tank, reasonable priced, lasts forever...
As for "What is your favorite brand"... I guess I'd have to say I just don't know, but neither of my Simplicity tractors have ever let me down. My first Simplicity was 28 years old when I sold it 8 years ago. To my knowledge, it's still running strong.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Am I the only one out here that has a Simplicity? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Does anyone else have one?
This thread is 4 pages long and has had 4 references to the manufacturer.
- BRIGUY - "Simplicity looks good"
- bontai Joe - "Simplicity for the quality"
- horseman1 - "don't compare at all to Simplicity or Kubota"
- LBrown59 - "Simplicity or Kubota"
I'll concur with all that the Simplicity is a great tractor. Built like a tank, reasonable priced, lasts forever...
As for "What is your favorite brand"... I guess I'd have to say I just don't know, but neither of my Simplicity tractors have ever let me down. My first Simplicity was 28 years old when I sold it 8 years ago. To my knowledge, it's still running strong. )</font>
I looked at the Simplicity Legacy just before I got my Kubota BX23.
It was a real nice Super Lawn and garden tractor but I wanted something that is a little more tractor so moved up to s CUT.
At 15500 the BX was over $4000 less than the Legacy.
This thread is 4 pages long and has had 4 references to the manufacturer.
- BRIGUY - "Simplicity looks good"
- bontai Joe - "Simplicity for the quality"
- horseman1 - "don't compare at all to Simplicity or Kubota"
- LBrown59 - "Simplicity or Kubota"
I'll concur with all that the Simplicity is a great tractor. Built like a tank, reasonable priced, lasts forever...
As for "What is your favorite brand"... I guess I'd have to say I just don't know, but neither of my Simplicity tractors have ever let me down. My first Simplicity was 28 years old when I sold it 8 years ago. To my knowledge, it's still running strong. )</font>
I looked at the Simplicity Legacy just before I got my Kubota BX23.
It was a real nice Super Lawn and garden tractor but I wanted something that is a little more tractor so moved up to s CUT.
At 15500 the BX was over $4000 less than the Legacy.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blueclass=small"> At 15500 the BX was over $4000 less than the Legacy. )</font>
Did you mean the BX was $4000 more than the Legacy?
Did you mean the BX was $4000 more than the Legacy?
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Steiner also offers a Kubota 3 cyl, liquid cooled gas model, it's priced mid-way between the Kohler air cooled an Diesel models.
I personally like the Yanmar direct injection diesel which start much better in cold weather then the swirl chamber injection used by Kubota..
Here's an article I clipped from another web site...
DIRECT-INJECTION AND INDIRECT-INJECTION
The two fuel injection processes used in diesel engines, direct-injection (DI) and indirect-injection (IDI), are illustrated in Figures 6-2 and 6-3 (see below). In a DI engine, fuel is injected directly into the cylinder above the piston. In an IDI engine, fuel is injected into a small prechamber connected to the cylinder via a narrow passage that enters the prechamber tangentially. During the compression process, air is forced through this passage, generating a vigorous swirling motion in the prechamber. Then fuel is injected into the prechamber and ignition occurs there. The combination of rapidly swirling air in the prechamber and the jet-like expansion of combustion gases from the prechamber into the cylinder enhances the mixing and combustion of the fuel and air.
The more rapid mixing of fuel and air achieved in IDI engines comes at a price, however. The high velocity flow of air through the narrow passage connecting the main cylinder to the prechamber, as well as the vigorous swirling motion in the prechamber itself, causes the air to lose significantly more heat during compression than it does in a DI engine. Coupled with a pressure drop from the main chamber to the prechamber, this results in an air temperature in the prechamber after compression that is lower than that in a similar DI engine. Since rapid fuel autoignition requires a certain air temperature, an IDI engine needs a higher compression ratio to achieve the desired air temperature in the prechamber. IDI engines operate at compression ratios of about 20:1 to 24:1; while DI engines operate at ratios of about 15:1 to 18:1. The heat losses that necessitate these higher compression ratios have another, more important effect: they decrease the efficiency of the engine. IDI engines typically achieve fuel efficiencies that are 10% to 20% lower, on a relative basis, than comparable DI engines.
Even with the higher compression ratios, IDI engines may still be hard to start. Most IDI engines use glow plugs to heat the air in the prechamber in order to make starting easier. Glow plugs, which are small resistive heaters, are usually powered for only the first few minutes of engine operation.
With the negative attributes of harder starting and lower efficiency, one may wonder why IDI diesel engines are used at all. The answer is engine speed. As an engine gets smaller, generally it must operate at higher speeds to generate the desired power. As engine speed increases, there is less time per engine cycle to inject, vaporize, mix, and combust the fuel. As a result, the higher mixing rates afforded by IDI designs become necessary to achieve good combustion at higher engine speeds. IDI diesels most commonly are used in smaller automotive and light duty truck applications.
Diesel engines type an description..
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_6_1_rf.htm
DIRECT-INJECTION AND INDIRECT-INJECTION http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_6_3_rf.htm#SUB5
I personally like the Yanmar direct injection diesel which start much better in cold weather then the swirl chamber injection used by Kubota..
Here's an article I clipped from another web site...
DIRECT-INJECTION AND INDIRECT-INJECTION
The two fuel injection processes used in diesel engines, direct-injection (DI) and indirect-injection (IDI), are illustrated in Figures 6-2 and 6-3 (see below). In a DI engine, fuel is injected directly into the cylinder above the piston. In an IDI engine, fuel is injected into a small prechamber connected to the cylinder via a narrow passage that enters the prechamber tangentially. During the compression process, air is forced through this passage, generating a vigorous swirling motion in the prechamber. Then fuel is injected into the prechamber and ignition occurs there. The combination of rapidly swirling air in the prechamber and the jet-like expansion of combustion gases from the prechamber into the cylinder enhances the mixing and combustion of the fuel and air.
The more rapid mixing of fuel and air achieved in IDI engines comes at a price, however. The high velocity flow of air through the narrow passage connecting the main cylinder to the prechamber, as well as the vigorous swirling motion in the prechamber itself, causes the air to lose significantly more heat during compression than it does in a DI engine. Coupled with a pressure drop from the main chamber to the prechamber, this results in an air temperature in the prechamber after compression that is lower than that in a similar DI engine. Since rapid fuel autoignition requires a certain air temperature, an IDI engine needs a higher compression ratio to achieve the desired air temperature in the prechamber. IDI engines operate at compression ratios of about 20:1 to 24:1; while DI engines operate at ratios of about 15:1 to 18:1. The heat losses that necessitate these higher compression ratios have another, more important effect: they decrease the efficiency of the engine. IDI engines typically achieve fuel efficiencies that are 10% to 20% lower, on a relative basis, than comparable DI engines.
Even with the higher compression ratios, IDI engines may still be hard to start. Most IDI engines use glow plugs to heat the air in the prechamber in order to make starting easier. Glow plugs, which are small resistive heaters, are usually powered for only the first few minutes of engine operation.
With the negative attributes of harder starting and lower efficiency, one may wonder why IDI diesel engines are used at all. The answer is engine speed. As an engine gets smaller, generally it must operate at higher speeds to generate the desired power. As engine speed increases, there is less time per engine cycle to inject, vaporize, mix, and combust the fuel. As a result, the higher mixing rates afforded by IDI designs become necessary to achieve good combustion at higher engine speeds. IDI diesels most commonly are used in smaller automotive and light duty truck applications.
Diesel engines type an description..
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_6_1_rf.htm
DIRECT-INJECTION AND INDIRECT-INJECTION http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/diesel/L2_6_3_rf.htm#SUB5
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Kawasaki seems to be giving Kohler a little competition. Besides Ventrac tractors I see Cub Cadet uses Kawasaki's in their mid-size sub-compacts. Also it's been said that Deere is using Kawasaki in their gas powered G. T. line...
I've looked at the Power Trac tractors but definitely didn't like the lack of local dealer. It's so much easier to talk and explain a problem in person then over a phone line.
The only advantage I see to Power Trac is for someone with only one tractor who likes the maneuverability of a articulating tractor and has a need for a front end loader...
The big disadvantage is the oil powered wheel motors. As I understand it, it's possible to have one spinning wheel deprive the other 3 wheel motor of oil a leave the machine stuck...
Even my Steiner 230 2WD is equipt with a differential lock so I can power both front wheels. Plus it has a weight transfer system where the drive wheels carries most of the attachment weight but the attachment is still able to float...
Richard
West Michigan...
I've looked at the Power Trac tractors but definitely didn't like the lack of local dealer. It's so much easier to talk and explain a problem in person then over a phone line.
The only advantage I see to Power Trac is for someone with only one tractor who likes the maneuverability of a articulating tractor and has a need for a front end loader...
The big disadvantage is the oil powered wheel motors. As I understand it, it's possible to have one spinning wheel deprive the other 3 wheel motor of oil a leave the machine stuck...
Even my Steiner 230 2WD is equipt with a differential lock so I can power both front wheels. Plus it has a weight transfer system where the drive wheels carries most of the attachment weight but the attachment is still able to float...
Richard
West Michigan...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Kawasaki seems to be giving Kohler a little competition. Besides Ventrac tractors I see Cub Cadet uses Kawasaki's in their mid-size sub-compacts. Also it's been said that Deere is using Kawasaki in their gas powered G. T. line...
I've looked at the Power Trac tractors but definitely didn't like the lack of local dealer. It's so much easier to talk and explain a problem in person then over a phone line.
The only advantage I see to Power Trac is for someone with only one tractor who likes the maneuverability of a articulating tractor and has a need for a front end loader...
The big disadvantage is the oil powered wheel motors. As I understand it, it's possible to have one spinning wheel deprive the other 3 wheel motor of oil a leave the machine stuck...
Even my Steiner 230 2WD is equipt with a differential lock so I can power both front wheels. Plus it has a weight transfer system where the drive wheels carries most of the attachment weight but the attachment is still able to float...
Richard
West Michigan... )</font>
What does articulating mean?
I've looked at the Power Trac tractors but definitely didn't like the lack of local dealer. It's so much easier to talk and explain a problem in person then over a phone line.
The only advantage I see to Power Trac is for someone with only one tractor who likes the maneuverability of a articulating tractor and has a need for a front end loader...
The big disadvantage is the oil powered wheel motors. As I understand it, it's possible to have one spinning wheel deprive the other 3 wheel motor of oil a leave the machine stuck...
Even my Steiner 230 2WD is equipt with a differential lock so I can power both front wheels. Plus it has a weight transfer system where the drive wheels carries most of the attachment weight but the attachment is still able to float...
Richard
West Michigan... )</font>
What does articulating mean?
