what paint will hold up best

[mustangsallysdad]

I resent you making this this statement.

If you disagree with me that is fine, you have a right to do so. You do not have the right to personally attack me.

You once complained that people don't seem to want the benefit of your experience, then you personally attack me for offering people the benefit of mine.

Explaining that the mythological persona about Imron being a stand alone exceptional product is false, does not benefit me in any way. I offer this information solely for those who are open minded, and want listen.

I have actually worked with people who developed some of these products, doing product testing, and have used these products extensively.

The profits from these products are high, and these companies will often go to any length, to be competitive. I have seen paint company's hire competitor's developers. In one case, a company hired a whole department. Sometimes they buy other companies out right, to get new technology. And of course, they use high tech chemical analyzers to backwards engineer products, and create their own versions.

The fact is they all have the similar technology within about a year of someone coming out with a new product. They have to, or they lose market share. That is reality.

The paint company that has the largest share of the market for a certain product, at a given time, does not necessarily have the best product. This is more often the result of how much they are willing to give away, to entice users to switch to their product.

If you are a high enough volume user, paint companies will offer to convert you to their product by making offers you can't refuse. Those who already have the larger share of the market, have more profit to work with, so they have the advantage in these price wars.

Ray...I apologize if you took my response as a personal attack...it wasn't necessarily meant that way...It just seemed that you had chimed in as the final authority on this particular post...not all of us are layman and do know what we are talking about...I get the impression that you believe DuPont's Imron is the same product it was 25 years ago...it is not...it has been constantly upgraded, refined and reformulated in such a way as to stay ahead of the pack...almost all major large truck manufacturers still specify it for their new vehicles, so it is in no way outdated. The OP was asking for specific advice on paints, primers, etc. It would have been more useful to add some specifics to your post regarding better, cheaper, similar or on par with Imron...provide him with brands, item numbers and ballpark pricing along with spraying and reducing tips, recoat windows, what type of gun and pressure settings, etc. Something that will get him close enough to start spraying with only a few particular adjustments allowing for things like temp., humidity, catalyst and reducer rates. If you have this better information on similar products, share it with him. Share the benefit your experience with him...everyone was a greenhorn at some point. Help him out.

 

[ray66v]

Ray...I apologize if you took my response as a personal attack...it wasn't necessarily meant that way...It just seemed that you had chimed in as the final authority on this particular post...not all of us are layman and do know what we are talking about...I get the impression that you believe DuPont's Imron is the same product it was 25 years ago...it is not...it has been constantly upgraded, refined and reformulated in such a way as to stay ahead of the pack...almost all major large truck manufacturers still specify it for their new vehicles, so it is in no way outdated. The OP was asking for specific advice on paints, primers, etc. It would have been more useful to add some specifics to your post regarding better, cheaper, similar or on par with Imron...provide him with brands, item numbers and ballpark pricing along with spraying and reducing tips, recoat windows, what type of gun and pressure settings, etc. Something that will get him close enough to start spraying with only a few particular adjustments allowing for things like temp., humidity, catalyst and reducer rates. If you have this better information on similar products, share it with him. Share the benefit your experience with him...everyone was a greenhorn at some point. Help him out.

Once again, I find myself at a loss for how you have come your conclusions based on one of my posts.

First, If you go back and read my original post, I actually say: "Today's Imron is a good product" I can't get more specific than that.

As far as the "lay people" comment, it was used specifically as to the point that these products are not used by, or meant for the general public. And clearly, in no way suggested that anyone was an idiot, or a layman.

Thirdly, I also made the point: "It is too complicated to be able to simply say, just use this, and this, and your all set".

To that I can add: He needs to deal with a local supplier. And not all products are available in all areas. So, even if I suggested he to use P60G2 vinyl wash primer, strictly as an example, there is a good chance he may not be able to get it anyway.

I can suggest he start with a budgeted figure, and take that to his local supplier. That is pretty much going to determine what he uses.

There is lots of good paint out there, but none of it is bullet proof.

I'm sorry but, I cannot write a book in this forum. And frankly if I did, it would clearly result in a disagreement anyway.

Anyone can PM me with specific questions, I always gladly answer them.

 

[nuffer460]

ray66v, that's an idea I would not have thought of. Great idea! I have two suppliers. One for Dupont, the other for PPG. Break your painting project down, by what you want. Then ask the supplier to build a system to work in a specific budget. I like that.:thumbsup: My supplier help novice customers all the time. They even try to help me save a dollar or two with cheaper, just as good substitute. I

 

[Daisy the Digger]

The only folks I know around here who use Imron are the folks at the yacht club and half the time they use it so they can brag about how expensive it is. I am not a paint person, however, so there are probably a lot more Imron painted things around here than I know about.

Our farm is near the ocean so the salt air causes a lot of rust. For painting our farm tractor, we usually brush off the rust, sand or wire brush the area and soak or swab the cleaned area with ospho primer. It is a clear green sort of liquid which turns the rust black and keeps it from rusting anymore. Then we splatch on whatever sort of epoxy or enamel paint the tractor had on it before.

For the tractor in the shop being fixed, it is a Ford blue, but they wanted too much money at the Ford place for more blue paint. We took a blue part of the tractor to the paint store and had them match the color using a de-rusto type of enamel. Works great and even matches the rest of the tractor.

 

[foggy1111]

What paint will hold up best? Well.....John Deere Green of course!!! :laughing:

 

[CWOSCSU]

Please be careful with these (and any) paints. I highly encourage you to get (from the supplier) and read the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) before purchasing the product. The term 撤rofessional Use Only or 的ndustrial Use Only is not actually a disclaimer. It means the label does not comply with the guidelines of the consumer product safety commission. Reason is, the product is marketed to business and intended for professional (I use the term professional as being a person being employed to perform this service and not necessarily a level of competence) use and must comply with OSHA regulations that require the product manufacture to supply an MSDS, and employers to use it in job hazard analysis / mitigation; educate and train employees on the product.

Most, if not all, of the paints being discussed here (I知 not familiar with all cited) contain isocyanides. These are very dangerous chemicals, and may cause chronic health problems for both you and your offspring. The 2 most prevalent routes of entry into the body are through inhalation, and absorption. Air Purifying Respirators (APR) will not eliminate isocyanides. Full face positive pressure (air supplied) is required. Also, a suit that is impervious to the paint.

Our painters work in specially designed spray booths, wear 2% bypass masks and specially designed suits.

I personally know three former painters who have damage to their central nervous systems due to overexposure to these paints.

Again, please be careful. Mike.

 

[mustangsallysdad]

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[LfarmsMs]

Hey guys I'm I've done a lot of painting on things around my farm from refridgerators to dozers and most of the time it looks good for awhile. Truth is I've never really knew enough about painting to lay down a really nice paint job that will hold up over the years. I am learning though and it sounds like you guys know what your talking about. I enjoy refinishing or restoring farm equipment and learned a lot on my on through a hole lot of trial and error mostly error. I no it takes a lot of work to paint something correctly so you may as well do it right the first time. AnywAy my question is I recently purchased a ez trail grain cart green in color maybe ten years old very nice cart with a pitiful paint job. All the green is flaking off you can blow on it and comes off. I think they actually used white trim caulk in the cracks if that tells you anything. But tha grey primer underneath looks good and still holding fine , may have Ben a epoxy sealer don't no.what we be the best way to prep it for paint, take all the green off and scuff the existing primer or just scuff all the green and feather out the chip edges, take down the rusted spots to bare, reprime spots,paint then clear coat? Also which paint imron ppg or just some regular tsc paint and clear coat whichever one with two or three coats? Anyone info would be very helpfull and appreciated.

 

[drizler]

For the tractor in the shop being fixed, it is a Ford blue, but they wanted too much money at the Ford place for more blue paint. .[/QUOTE]

That's funny.:laughing: As if Ford was the only one to make Ford Blue........................................or like Ford EVER made Ford Blue to begin with.

Say, while I think of it what's the deal on buying "hardened" paint these days? Last I knew the EPA had some requirement you had to have a license to buy it not to mention the booth requirements ect. All that came in I think 2011 with huge fines for paint dealers selling to unlicensed users. I haven't bought any in the last few years since which is why I ask. Or did that mostly fade to the background like so many licensing type laws do?

 

[Florida Cracker]

Has anyone used the TSC Majic Paint? I'll be repainting my Ford 5000 when I get back home in June.