What should I do?

   / What should I do? #1  

WeedPatch

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Monticello, FL
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PT 1430
I bought a 1430 last month, used it to mow my pastures once (10 hours) and it quit working (see New PT 1430 won't go.) My husband and I have spent more than 20 hours trying to fix it, to no avail, and we are really frustrated. We have already spent more time on this tractor than we spent on repairs for its predecessor, a Farmall 140, the entire 35 years we used it. (It just ran and ran.) What is the experience of those of you who've operated a PT for a few years? Is it a high maintenance machine or am I just really unlucky? Is it worth hiring a hydraulics mechanic to try to fix it? (Since we apparently are not intelligent enough!) I'm thinking of asking PT to pick up the tractor and give me my money back (assuming that's possible), but hate to do that, because if it ran it would be just perfect for our needs. But I don't want a tractor that spends more time in the shop than in the fields.
 
   / What should I do? #2  
Sorry to hear about the series of problems you have had right off the bat. Yours is definately the exception (although not the only one) and not the rule with Power Trac machines. This has unfortunately been compounded by their week-long summer shut down.

I would figure out how to get the tractor to a hydraulic shop or even a shop that works on medium to heavy construction or farm equipment. A car hauler trailer would work as would a tilt-back tow truck.

Most any hydraulic mechanic should be able to figure out what is wrong and fix it. PT is usually very good at providing replacement parts, but not outside labour. Don't jump to the conclusion that the original pump is bad, as there are many other (often simple) things that could be the culprit.

DO NOT forget to release the "Tow Valve" on the main variable displacement pump before trying to pull/drag the tractor even a few feet or you WILL damage the pump or other componants that will not be covered under warrantee. (See manual or ask others here for a closeup pic of the valve location for your model.)

Hopefully this will end up being a fairly straight forward problem for a Hyd tech to fix, and you will have a good solid machine that will work for you for many years to come.

I know you are frustrated at this point, but once you get used to what the PT will do, you won't want to use anything else.

Welcome to the forum by the way, and Good Luck!!

Rip
 
   / What should I do? #3  
Why don't you give the guys here an other shot at your problem. Some of them are pretty good with the problems encountered with PTs.
 
   / What should I do? #4  
Give us a list of what you have done so far..

sg
 
   / What should I do?
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#5  
The tow valve was not the problem, since it was not touched. At first we thought it was the parking brake since it is so hard to disengage. The tractor had very little forward or reverse power, but after ensuring that it was not the parking brake, we called PT and went through a series of "try this, then this." We checked the oil level, and the oil to see if there were foam or bubbles in the hydraulic oil. We disconnected the hoses to the treadle to see if they were plugged; they were not. We changed the filter, and that didn't change any thing. Terry at PT concluded that it had to be a bad tram pump and sent a new one, which he said would take about 20 minutes to exchange. Oh, no. There are 11 hoses connected to the pump and because of the tight working space each one took about 20 minutes to remove, mark and cap to prevent oil spillage and dirt getting in. To remove the pump requires the removal of the PTO pump. Both pumps have splines that require that the pumps be slid straight forward about an inch and a half, but there is less clearance than needed, so disassembly was extremely difficult. The pump PT sent had a different transition plate to connect to the PTO. Another call to Terry, and I was infromed to swap the plates-- resulting in the exposure of the concentric gears in the pump (which I hope does not cause problems, but I kept them clean and was able to reassemble it.) The hose ports on the new pump were arranged entirely differently from the old. The suction port on the new was on the opposite side from the old. Another call to Terry, he said that the hoses have to be in the exact configuration as the original pump, and I needed to remove the factory seal from the port on the right and seal the port on the left. Having broken all possible tools trying to remove this plug, I'll take it to a machine shop tomorrow to see if they can do it. That's where I am. I'm rearranging the other ports to match the old pump. The hose diagrams in their book are worthless because they show only five hose connections (plus the treadle control hoses) whereas the tractor has nine hoses (plus the treadle hoses). Even after I get the hose connections figured out, I'm concerned about putting the pumps back in, because of the lack of clearance-- it will be difficult to align the splines and have room to manever the parts together. If I had known how difficult replacing the pump would be, I would have placed the tractor under an engine hoist and lifted the motor and pumps up to work on it -- which I may still have to do to reassemble. It is extremely labor intensive to do any work on the machine, and the lack of written instructions is just appalling. Because the pumps are different, I'm very concerned that I or anyone I hire will make a fatal mistake that'll cause permanent damage to the tractor and I'll end up with a pile of junk steel that I just paid over $20,000 for. Any advice will be much appreciated.
 
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I agree with you on the documents that come with the machine. The way they are selling these machines the documents should be specific to the model you own and be very detailed since they are depending on owner repairs.
I have a 425 and after 16 hrs. it started to slow down. Called Terry for advice went through the same things you did and we were to the point of checking tram pump pressure and changing the tram pump. I kept questioning him and actually found the problem with the loose treadle which fixed the machine and it has functioned well since. Did you actually check the position of the tow valve as it might of vibrated open. I'm guessing he did not have you check the tram pump pressure which is another problem dealing with them. Terry told me to get my 2000psi gauge and test hose out to check this pressure. I suppose every one has a 2000 psi test gauge in there tool box. These special tools should come with the machine. I guess you will have to finish the pump installation and let us know how it works out. Also they should of made sure you received the exact replacement part so none hydraulic mechanics would not have to modify the part.
The parking brake is sometimes hard to release I found if you lift the front of the machine with the hydraulics you can release it easily.

sg
 
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I'm starting to get a little nervous from some of the recent posts about problems after a number of hours on the PT's...just hit 20 hrs and the first oil change(went fairly smooth) and have a road project to hit between downpours here that will take a few hours of fairly heavy work...I hope I'm not posting a "HELP" message anytime soon!.......I smiled at your Farmall 140 comment..it just ran and ran......still have mine for pasture mowing, etc.....she just runs & runs! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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If one were to go back through the archives of these forums, various people have had serious problems at one time or the other with their particular brand of tractor (PT included). As often as not, the dealer can be the cause or major factor (pro or con) of the problem as well.

With PT, there are no dealers. However, most working parts on a PT are pretty generic and there are MANY more competent hydraulic mechanics around this country than mechanics for any specific brand of "regular" tractor.

What this means is that there are many MORE options rather than fewer with regard to getting a PT repaired. They are just not listed under "Power Trac" in the phone book. Start with "Hydraulic Equipment Repair", but also any shop that services construction, agricultural, and other machinery that uses hydraulic systems and there are many.

When you find a good one, become well acquainted with them, and they will take good care of you. If you do not have a truck and trailer, any flat-bed tow truck can transport the tractor to such a shop (just remember to release the tow valve and brake before having it winched up on the deck).

One has to think "outside the box" when dealing with a PT, but then again one had to do that to consider a PT in the first place!

I bought mine used, so I did not have to get over the "...but it is under warranty!!" issue regarding dealing with a local independent hydraulic shop to work on my unit. PT has generaly been good at providing replacement parts under warranty, but usually not labor.

If, after everything is said and done, you just do not want to deal with these issues or this type of equipment, let the forum know as there are often folks looking for used PTs since they are usually very hard to find.

Good Luck to all.
 
   / What should I do? #9  
Weedpatch,
I still feel for you...New stuff should work, especially $20K worth of new stuff.

Rip,
Thanks for the reminder for poeple like me (MCI - mechanically challenged individual) that most local equipment repair shops can easily handle the PT. Still, it is very scary for us hobby user, MCI's to have no support when things that shouldn't happen... happen

<font color="blue"> there are often folks looking for used PTs since they are usually very hard to find. </font>
I forgot this has often been my rule for whether something I don't know too uch about is a good purchase or not. When I wanted a Beeman R9 airrifle, I couldn't find ANY used ones for sale!!! People just don't part with Beeman's or PT's very often.
Although beeman has great support, unlike PT /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
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Hurrah! We finally got the new tram pump installed and the tractor is running again. It was a mighty daunting task, however. (Well, Mr Hercules, you did ok on your first 12 tasks, but your 13th is to swap out a tram pump on a PT tractor....ha! ha! You're doomed!) It was like a heart transplant, but with a whole lot more hoses to keep track of. I called Terry to complain about their pitiful, semi-literate owners' manual and gave him several pointers on how PT ought to run their business. I'm sure that he appreciated the advice. Thanks to everyone for your sympathy and suggestions. I've got to go mow now. The pasture grass is literally two feet high.
 

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