What To Do?

   / What To Do? #11  
I was lucky enough to marry a woman that was okay with living in an old, old mobile home that we moved out to a run-down property for 11 years. After the first 7, we started building our house, and built it from the ground up (actually, I guess below ground-up since we built a basement) from savings and current income. It took 4 years to get it to move-in shape, and it is still far from done. However, we have never had, and never plan to have, a mortgage.

There is a lot to be said for not only saving money, but not spending it as well. I see it repeatadly on this site and others that people constantly hire out work that they feel they can't accomplish themselves. Granted, not everyone has 4 years to work in the spare time building their own house, but what better use of your time is there? The fortunate aspect, in my view, was that it was an activity that I (mostly) enjoyed (not drywall, that was awful). I also had control of the quality of materials selected and workmanship, and know who exactly to blame for any problems. We plan to either do a substantial addition to the house in about 5 years, or build another entirely and turn the current house into a garage (that was the plan all along, but you all know how plans change). The crux of my comment being that with a little initiative, folks could give up some leisure time and save (or not spend, either way) a ton of money. It seems as though few people take that route, though. That said, it is great that we live in a country where I'm free to build my own house, my neighbor is free to hire a contractor for it, and we can both think we have a fool for a neighbor!

And one other comment, while I ramble. I mostly agree with the comment of skipping the Starbucks and bottled water....but I've got to say that I'm notoriously bad about going to the convenience store and picking up Skittles, M & Ms and a Skor bar (for my boy, my girl, and my wife respectively). Yeah, it costs $3 and its gone in 5 minutes, but when I come home and share them, I get at least $3 worth of hugs, kisses, and "Thank you, Daddy". Too bad I have to pay for it, huh?

Take care.
 
   / What To Do? #12  
[ Yeah, it costs $3 and its gone in 5 minutes, but when I come home and share them, I get at least $3 worth of hugs, kisses, and "Thank you, Daddy". Too bad I have to pay for it, huh?

Take care.[/quote]




Priceless !!
 
   / What To Do? #13  
I have had it with the economy ups and downs... pulled the trigger yesterday on selling some stocks... With the potential of capital gains going up two or three times the present rate, decided to sell some shares. What should I do?

a. A new corvette...
b. Big new cab tractor...
c. New Mercedes...
d. Pay off the morgage 20 years early...

Anwser is D... Morgage is going away in September... Both houses and garages, barns, and all other buildings are going to be paid for in about a week... Might have a few dollars left over for a couple more boxes of .45, 9MM, 7MM and lots of shotgun shells! Can't deduct the morgage interest anymore... What good is it to carry a morgage at 6.25%! Just need to set up a new escrew account for taxes and insurance.

mark

Likewise, congratulations.
My girlfriend and I sold stock to purchase our house and 33 acres. The nice part is that its paid for, free and clear. The hard part was swallowing the tax bill last April:(. Make sure that you've set enough aside so that you will not be caught by surprise. I made sure to set plenty aside and was glad I did. It came out to be more than I expected.
Its funny, I prepared myself for the large tax bill, but was still dismayed to have to send such a large check. It just seems unfair. Good luck!

Mark
 
   / What To Do? #14  
Yep, property tax just means you rent your house from the county.

Had a conversation yesterday about taxes. If we had to write a check once a month to the Feds, State, and county instead of being automagically deducted or billed once a year would that change our taxation levels? :D

I despise property taxes.

Later,
Dan
 
   / What To Do? #15  
We paid off our mortgage several years ago. Some people thought it was not a good financial move, but I think in terms of peace of mind, it was the best move I have ever made. In Michigan, your homestead exemption has nothing to do with a mortgage, just has to be your primary residence. Michigan has a sales tax of 6%, a income tax of 4%, but the income tax is not levied on pensions. Not having the debt allowed me to take a buyout at age 53, and not be stressed.
 
   / What To Do? #16  
I was lucky enough to be able to pay off the mortgages on my three pieces of property at age 40. After that I was way less stressed and did not have to work so many hours and was able to spend much more time with my family even though I had less income. These have been the best years of my life. :)
 
   / What To Do? #17  
Some of the guys in California that I know who are losing their homes all felt that having a mortgage was important for saving on taxes and getting a larger return. I tried to argue with them on this, but all they knew was how much money they recieved on their tax return.

I paid a about $1,000 a month in interest on my mortgage when I lived there. I paid $20,000 a year in taxes and recieved about $4,000 a year in my return. If I didn't pay that $12,000 a year on interest, I would not have received that $4,000 a year return, but wouldn't have paid that other $8,000 in interest.

To me, it's simple math. Interest payments on a loan do not come close to what you get back in taxes. After I figured this out, I started claiming 9 on my W2 and with my deductions, didn't get anything back at the end of the year, but took home more on my paychecks.

Eddie
 
   / What To Do? #18  
Eddie, I have had that same discussion with way too many people. They simply choose to not understand finances, and view the tax return as some sort of windfall. I too have had as little as possible withheld through the years, convinced I can do better with it than the government. Mortgage paid off somewhere in my mid-40s, we run a business on an equity line, but our rule is never have more borrowed than 1/2 of liquidation value (which is about half of wholesale, so about 1/4 of wholesale) of inventory.

While a small amount of debt may be beneficial to a business' growth at times, I don't think one can ever go wrong by using new funds or profits to pay down debt. Debt is a master, and one all people should try to avoid as much as possible.
 
   / What To Do? #19  
The math behind mortgages as an investment is very easy, but many people forget about the investment part or the risk. Here's how it works with some simplified numbers:

Let's say you borrow $100,000 on your house at 6% interest. The first year you pay $6000 in interest but you get, for example, $2000 back on your refund. Net loss of $4000 or 4% so you're out the money on the mortgage.

Now let's say that you use the $100,000 to buy into a mutual fund. As long as that fund stays above 4% return you've made a net profit. My bank offers a 12-month CD at 4% so I could break even based on these numbers safely - but what's the point in breaking even? If I invest into a more aggressive fund I have a chance to make 8% or more, but I also have a chance of making 2% or losing money. If you invest diversely for the long term short term losses will typically give way to long term gains but if you're about to retire it's not a great idea to gamble too much.

How does one lose their house? Well you need two things to happen. First you need to have lost a fair chunk of that $100k to something. Then you need to lose your source of income. The chances of both happening are up to you to calculate. If you've got a $100k mortgage on a $400k house you can also refinance, pull out another $100k and use that to live off of until you get another job.

Played properly it's a great way to free up funds to invest, but staying mortgaged to the hilt with payments bumping against your earnings and you're in for trouble. And if you're not great at picking investments or it's a bumpy market you may want to get a little help.
 
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Whats a tax refund? Haven't seen one of those since 1991!

mark
 

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