What type of 220v outlet?

[kevinwak]

One more dumb question- can I put two outlets like a 30a and a 50a or two 50a on a circuit served by a 50a breaker? It's done on 110v outlets all the time. Obviously I would not run the car charger and the welder at the same time. But it'd save having to unplug the charger when I want to weld.

I am doing similar in my garage right now. Was adding the welder and started wondering if I should put outlets for some commercial grade woodwork tools. Now my plan is to have a simple 8 spot subpanel and then run the various outlets I could want just below it.

 

[WranglerX]

Why are you worrying about electric vehicle you do not have....

Wire in the 50 amp 6-50 plug for welder....

If you get electric vehicle later make adapter cord with 6-50P plug on one end and the 14-50R receptacle on other end for cord from electric vehicle you may or may not purchase later....

Dale

 

[vvanders]

I'm 95% sure that type of adapter isn't code compliant and if anything happens (say adapter catches on fire and burns down your house) you can bet your dollars insurance will reject any homeowner claim.

 

[LittleBill21]

I'm 95% sure that type of adapter isn't code compliant and if anything happens (say adapter catches on fire and burns down your house) you can bet your dollars insurance will reject any homeowner claim.

not remotely true. home owners are covered for stupid, not for arson. i have asked 6 different insurance agency and all have agreed. code constantly changes, knob and tube is still insured here.

 

[vvanders]

Sure, if it was compliant at the time of installation then you're covered however if you make any updates you have to match code or they will deny the claim. I asked our agent and he was pretty clear on that.

Also, do you want to risk $100k+ on that assumption? I sure wouldn't.

Lastly NEMA 6-50 doesn't have a neutral, NEMA 14-50 does so you can't physically adapt them without breaking code. Had to deal with that when we swapped it out, was lucky that the plug was basically adjacent to the panel which made pulling a neutral simple.

 

[WranglerX]

So pull in 3 wire with safety ground and put in transfer switch, one side of switch to 6-50 (minus neutral) and other side of switch to 14-50 with neutral.. Transfer switch eliminates both receptacles be energises as same time, therefor eliminate some of the issues of putting two different receptical on same circuit and inadvertently trying to use the two at same time and overloading circuit...

Dale

 

[ericm979]

Dang, I suspected asking a question involving 220 would start a heated discussion. It seems overly complicated.

All the car chargers I have looked at (not for Tesla) have 6-50 plugs. The transfer switch is a good idea.

 

[WranglerX]

This brings up what is "standard" for out in the world charging stations?

And do you carry your own cord or does "station" supply umbilical?

Dale

 

[Sodo]

I have a TIG and a MIG. I got tired of unplugging. I did it like this.

Someday I will weld TIG with my right hand cuz I'm right handed. While at the same time running the MIG with my left (cuz MIG is easier). That way I can get my welding done without exceeding the duty cycles and of course the horrible, and frequent PITA of wasting time while the machine cools down.

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Yeah but it's real nice to NO longer have to plug & unplug welders.

 

[yomax4]

I have a TIG and a MIG. I got tired of unplugging. I did it like this.

Someday I will weld TIG with my right hand cuz I'm right handed. While at the same time running the MIG with my left (cuz MIG is easier). That way I can get my welding done without exceeding the duty cycles and of course the horrible, and frequent PITA of wasting time while the machine cools down.

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Yeah but it's real nice to NO longer have to plug & unplug welders.

I did very similar.