What type of water pump do I need?

[_RaT_]

Okay Roger, I think what I would do is purchase a 3/4HP or larger jet pump and a small pressure tank. You will also need a foot valve and 1/1/4" flex pipe that will be used on the incoming side of the pump. On the output / delivery side I would include a shut-off valve (manual) and then fixtures (connections) to handle the pipe that you are going to use to bring the water up to the house area. If you wish you can tee-off from the poly along the way and add facets for attaching hoses or run lines to different areas.

You will have to figure some method of keeping the foot valve off from the bottom of the pond. You could run a stake into the bottom and then tie off the foot valve 6 or 8 inches from the bottom. This type of pump and setup would be the cheapest and easiest installation. I think at Home Depot they have systems you can buy that come with the pump attached to a small tank, then all you have to buy is the foot valve and flex pipe along wth the poly that you are going to use to feed the water out.

On my pumps I went to a swiming pool place and got a couple of pieces of the flex pipe they use for the in ground pool installations. I think I got two 15 foot pieces for around 10 dollars.

If you wanted you could purchase a deep well pump and then run a 1/12" or 11/4” pipe from the pump up to your house area and then install a storage type tank. This will require that you run 240 VAC to the pond to run the pump. If you go this direction it might be good to attach the electrical wiring directly to the poly pipe while putting it in the trench.

The advantage of this is you could install a 40 to 80 gallon storage tank and it would permit you to run more hoses at the same time with good water pressure.

These pumps will push water further than 150 feet. Many are pumping water up from 400 feet or deeper. Problem is the pump expensive, the delivery pipe has to be much larger and harder to handle during installation.

The pump would be placed into the pond and you will have to make sure you support it off from the bottom.

Hope this is helpful

Wayne

He mentioned the pond is only slightly downhill. Anytime you go to a "well" pump your getting into multistaged pumps and your volume decreases considerably. A simple end suction centrifigal pump will move much more water and allow you to pressure the system for irrigation needs. I would much rather have a pump out of the water then in the water for a setup like this. He does need to keep the footvalve/filter off the bottom, same would apply to a pump set in the pond.

You can always switch the pump at the house and control its on/off ability without having to go down to the pond. I installed a 1.5 hp at a pond that was tied to the irrigation time clock. It came on when the sprinkler clock turned on a sprinkler. My run was about 200 yards. With proper wire sizing, it runs very well with minimum vokltage drop. Going to a 240V motor does help for long runs by cutting the wire size in half.

 

[stumpfield]

If you are not in a hurry to fill your pool, you might want to consider a submergable solar pump. A small shurflo diaphragm pump is inexpensive and simple to install. You don't have to deal with running power to the site. Depending on the distance, you can pump all day long from the lower pond to the upper pond and use it as a reservoir then let gravity do it's job.

 

[caver]

Another slow option to fill the pool from the lower spring is build a ram pump.

 

[WayneB]

One thing for certain is I am not a plumber or sprinkler installation person, just a user of shallow well water pumps. Happen to own six of them and they all seem to work just fine. All of the pumps were purchased over the years from Sears. All are Jet Pumps and the only failure I have ever experienced is one froze one year when I left it out too long in the autumn. Life goes on.

We also have an upper field and down the hill from there is a 35 acre pond which we have a deep well pump in and pump water up the hill about 250 feet. The pump was free and also had the 1/14” pipe so all we had to do is run the 240 votes to the pump. We jointly share this with our neighbor who is an electrician and he provided the wiring and we estimate the cost for running the pump and share the electric bill cost. This is a commercial picture of the type of pump we are using. I have a few of them that sit outside all spring, summer and fall and haven’t had problems with them. The pressure valves are all 40/60 on/off regulators and it provides ample water for my gardening needs. On the one furthest away from the house I have added a shut-off switch for the electrical so I can shut-off the pump if we are going to be away for a period of time.

Just my two cents

Wayne

 

[rogdan]

Thank for the options and pic guys, I am late in responding as work has picked up and I am off line at home (someone stole a section of a main phone line) Wayne that is the type of pump I have been looking at but I am going to study the ram pump info as well.
As some already said, the wiring is looking to cost as much as the pump. $112 for 250' or 12/2 underground wire at Lowes. I do have enough 1/4" black water line from the other spring I could use. Tractor supply has pumps but Harbor Freight seems to be about 1/2 the price of any of the others.